Oh no!! Brexit not going quite as well as hoped

[Deleted member 28]

Before I start... these are not necessarily my views.

Well, obviously, I cannot say what ALL of them want, but... the area did vote massively in favour of Brexit, so, a "world view" is not high on the list.

There is a very low level of "Political involvement'. Turn out at local election is often less than 30%, General Elections slightly higher, maybe 35%. To most people I encounter, Cars, the price of beer, Football, or Love Island ranks way above Politics.

As I have said before, out of my circle of acquaintances, only one voted Remain. The most common reason given for voting leave was to gain control of our borders and control who we allowed in (not necessarily saying face colour was a factor), British jobs for British workers and all that. Basically, the desire is for "us" to be able to do as we please, but, those foreigners to keep their noses out, and, do as we say.

As for what they want from Government, (of whatever party), they mostly don't mind paying more taxes, provided it is not actually them, paying more, but, it is OK for "the rich or better off" to pay more. Naturally, the "rich or better off" begins just above their pay grade.

Contrary to views expressed on here, I seldom if ever hear any discussion relating to gays, trans, etc etc, I think indifference rather than approval applies here.

There is not a lot of sympathy for the life long unemployed, nor for the "blue badge brigade", except, of course, for deserving cases.

I don't think the people of my area are unique, I suspect similar views would prevail among a similar socio-economic group just about anywhere in UK, or, even within mainland Europe.

Could be talking about the people I encounter, just the same opinions really (love Island aside) but just not that interested, myself included I must add.

 

[mudsticks]

Before I start... these are not necessarily my views.

Well, obviously, I cannot say what ALL of them want, but... the area did vote massively in favour of Brexit, so, a "world view" is not high on the list.

There is a very low level of "Political involvement'. Turn out at local election is often less than 30%, General Elections slightly higher, maybe 35%. To most people I encounter, Cars, the price of beer, Football, or Love Island ranks way above Politics.

As I have said before, out of my circle of acquaintances, only one voted Remain. The most common reason given for voting leave was to gain control of our borders and control who we allowed in (not necessarily saying face colour was a factor), British jobs for British workers and all that. Basically, the desire is for "us" to be able to do as we please, but, those foreigners to keep their noses out, and, do as we say.

As for what they want from Government, (of whatever party), they mostly don't mind paying more taxes, provided it is not actually them, paying more, but, it is OK for "the rich or better off" to pay more. Naturally, the "rich or better off" begins just above their pay grade.

Contrary to views expressed on here, I seldom if ever hear any discussion relating to gays, trans, etc etc, I think indifference rather than approval applies here.

There is not a lot of sympathy for the life long unemployed, nor for the "blue badge brigade", except, of course, for deserving cases.

I don't think the people of my area are unique, I suspect similar views would prevail among a similar socio-economic group just about anywhere in UK, or, even within mainland Europe.

Thanks -

So would you say they vote Labour out of habit?? (perhaps because their parents did?)
Rather than because they particularly want to see more a more socially just, and fairer world?

They sound like they'd be more at home in the "Every man for himself, and let The devil take the hindmost" Tory Party.
( maybe don't mention this to them..)


Of course not everyone i know talks about politics all day long - I don't either for that matter* but most people, do at least seem to realise that politics ( large or small P) affects just about every aspect of their lives - and the lives of others.

And that done badly - such as this botched brexit - and the terrible Tories it can be really, really damaging to society as a whole.

In fact it affects the price of beer, and 'cars' and lots of other things too, one way or another..

* I do talk a lot about politics on here because -

- wait for it ...

.... that's precisely what this forum is about - a fact rather often forgotten it would seem - particularly by those people who keep asking.
" Why are you bothered about all this"

Anyway my turn to cook tea - that's the downside of running a farm in a more cooperative fashion - everyone has to take their turn..

.... sausages and mash.

( and greens of course too )

 

[BoldonLad]

Thanks -

So would you say they vote Labour out of habit?? (perhaps because their parents did?)
Rather than because they particularly want to see more a more socially just, and fairer world?

They sound like they'd be more at home in the "Every man for himself, and let The devil take the hindmost" Tory Party.
( maybe don't mention this to them..)


Of course not everyone i know talks about politics all day long - I don't either for that matter* but most people, do at least seem to realise that politics ( large or small P) affects just about every aspect of their lives - and the lives of others.

And that done badly - such as this botched brexit - and the terrible Tories it can be really, really damaging to society as a whole.

In fact it affects the price of beer, and 'cars' and lots of other things too, one way or another..

* I do talk a lot about politics on here because -

- wait for it ...

.... that's precisely what this forum is about - a fact rather often forgotten it would seem - particularly by those people who keep asking.
" Why are you bothered about all this"

Anyway my turn to cook tea - that's the downside of running a farm in a more cooperative fashion - everyone has to take their turn..

.... sausages and mash.

( and greens of course too )

1. Yes.

2. I know you may find this hard to believe, but, most people I encounter NEVER talk about Politics (regardless of the case of the p), any attempt to do so, would most likely result in them wandering off and finding another conversation (that is the well mannered ones), the rest would more likely say something like "for F***s sake, who gives a F*** about that sh*te, they are all the same", before switching the conversation football, cricket, etc etc

 

[mudsticks]

1. Yes.

2. I know you may find this hard to believe, but, most people I encounter NEVER talk about Politics (regardless of the case of the p), any attempt to do so, would most likely result in them wandering off and finding another conversation (that is the well mannered ones), the rest would more likely say something like "for F***s sake, who gives a F*** about that sh*te, they are all the same", before switching the conversation football, cricket, etc etc

No it doesn't surprise me at all, I encounter many people, totally uninterested in politics all the time .
It's fairly standard attitude, not a novel idea to me at all.

I'd feel the same sense of total ennui however, if anyone tried to talk to me about say football..

Hence I don't generally frequent places (or forums) where they routinely talk about football .

It's rather curious that some people totally uninterested in politics, do frequent a forum about politics though..

Don't you think??

 

[Mugshot]

1. Yes.

2. I know you may find this hard to believe, but, most people I encounter NEVER talk about Politics (regardless of the case of the p), any attempt to do so, would most likely result in them wandering off and finding another conversation (that is the well mannered ones), the rest would more likely say something like "for F***s sake, who gives a F*** about that sh*te, they are all the same", before switching the conversation football, cricket, etc etc

Do they not?
I'd find that surprising, but I suppose it depends how you're defining politics.
I'll regularly hear or pass comment on the price of fuel, holiday delays, ambulance waiting times, the weather, the price of Lurpak, the proposed speed limits in Wales and so on, it's all politics.
Politics doesn't have to only be long debates and discussions about Brexit or the relative merits of the Tory candidates.

 

[AndyRM]

Nice flagrant language there andy……is that in your best scottish or newcastle accent??? Im not sure were your from these days

I'm Scottish. I live in Newcastle, North Shields to be specific.

Is that clear enough for you? You doss c*nt?

 

[FishFright]

Are you trying to tell people what to do, be careful, you’ll be classed as a dictator by your boss @mudsticks soon

You could have answered the brexit question with 1% of the effort you put into starting arguments.

 

[Mr Celine]

I propose a simple rule:
If you are asked the same question more than 5 times without replying (or 4 times by the same person), then you must resign from NACA.
No cheating by answering a different question!

Considering the standard of literacy demonstrated by one of the questioned on this forum counting to five could pose them a problem.

 

[jowwy]

You could have answered the brexit question with 1% of the effort you put into starting arguments.

I answered, its a few posts back, people still not happy

 

[jowwy]

I'm Scottish. I live in Newcastle, North Shields to be specific.

Is that clear enough for you? You doss c*nt?

as clear as your a racist.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Good Lord, make it stop!

 

[mudsticks]

Good Lord, make it stop!

There's a button for that ...

 

[Xipe Totec]

There's a button for that ...

The 'Nuke Jowly From Orbit' button.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

The 'Nuke Jowly From Orbit' button.

The ''Scan for sense'' button that I use seems to keep me out of trouble most of the time and to similar effect. It does require mental scanning but it rarely finds any sense. It works like an free app that you don't even have to download. Engageworthy? No? Ignore.

 

[Salty seadog]

The 'Nuke Jowly From Orbit' button.

'it's the only way to be sure'

Never had anyone on ignore never will.

Well maybe myself, I do get on my own tits at times