Oh no!! Brexit not going quite as well as hoped

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Beebo

Guru
the obvious weakness in this argument was "how does the EU deal with other (non) EU Countries, with whom it has a land border"?
No other international border has the good Friday agreement.
It complicates issues as it stipulates that there can be no difference on either side of the border. So Brexit and the good Friday agreement are not compatible if we left the CU:SM.
But no one told you that.
 

Xipe Totec

Something nasty in the woodshed
If Scotland gets independence (and joins EU), will we have a "NI border problem" in Northumberland?
As a in independence supporter and a depressed pragmatist, I'm bleakly confident that's an entirely theoretical question. The only circumstances under which Scotland will be allowed another independence referendum would be if there was a guaranteed 'no' result, or with conditions (such as a requirement for 66% or more 'yes' vote) that would make it unwinnable, even if the Scottish Government were to agree to such terms. Which they wouldn't.

More realistically, Johnson, or whichever soulless Tory horror succeeds him, will just keep saying "no". Forever.
 

BoldonLad

Old man on a bike. Not a member of a clique.
Location
South Tyneside
No other international border has the good Friday agreement.
It complicates issues as it stipulates that there can be no difference on either side of the border. So Brexit and the good Friday agreement are not compatible if we left the CU:SM.
But no one told you that.

Thanks for answering.

Was the bit in bold ever really possible? Since, contrary to popular belief, each Country in the EU DOES have control of many aspects of taxation, etc, was there not a possibility of divergence (or say, for example VAT Rates, but, no doubt other items).

But, I take your point, the existence of a land border AND the Good Friday Agreement, does make the situation unique.
 

deptfordmarmoset

Über Member
As a in independence supporter and a depressed pragmatist, I'm bleakly confident that's an entirely theoretical question. The only circumstances under which Scotland will be allowed another independence referendum would be if there was a guaranteed 'no' result, or with conditions (such as a requirement for 66% or more 'yes' vote) that would make it unwinnable, even if the Scottish Government were to agree to such terms. Which they wouldn't.

More realistically, Johnson, or whichever soulless Tory horror succeeds him, will just keep saying "no". Forever.
The ''No forever'' is possible but that will depend on how much the government rile the independence side and erode the unionist side. The trajectory of this government makes me think that they will continue to respectively rile and erode. And that could provoke an insurrectionary movement. Personally, though I was broadly pro-unionist until relatively recently, I wouldn't lift a finger to prevent this from happening, especially if it's clearly done against the will of a Scottish majority. While England seems bent on showing itself as good for nothing, the Union is good for nobody in Scotland.
 
The ''No forever'' is possible but that will depend on how much the government rile the independence side and erode the unionist side. The trajectory of this government makes me think that they will continue to respectively rile and erode. And that could provoke an insurrectionary movement. Personally, though I was broadly pro-unionist until relatively recently, I wouldn't lift a finger to prevent this from happening, especially if it's clearly done against the will of a Scottish majority. While England seems bent on showing itself as good for nothing, the Union is good for nobody in Scotland.
That’s exactly how I see it too. The Westminster government is like an abusive and jealous partner saying “You’ll never prosper outside this relationship and I’m not going to let you try.” As a resident of England I find it shameful, despite feeling regret that it has come to this.
 
Makes you wonder why the Irish have such a negative view about us.....
“Surely the message must go out to all countries around the world that this is a British government that doesn’t necessarily keep its word and doesn’t necessarily honour the agreements it makes” - Leo Varadkar https://t.co/JdEVWFhIUe

Confirms what has been said about the UK in here in Asia for a long time. The words 'irresponsible' and 'untrustworthy' are used quite a lot.
 

Tanis8472

Regular
300. Car exports: Volatile energy prices and the cost of complying with EU regulations post-Brexit are blunting the industry’s competitive advantage, the sector’s trade body has said. The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) say costs, measured in time and resources, had increased as a result of leaving the EU, with 60% saying the extra expense for trading with the bloc was a “much more significant rise than other export destinations”.

299. Inflation: The latest Royal Bank of Scotland purchasing managers index (PMI) suggest companies are having to pass on the rising costs of materials, pay, logistics, covid and Brexit. Costs were reported to be rising at their quickest rate since 2008 and RBS said firms raised average charges “to a degree unseen” in two decades.

298. Export slump: Details published by HM Revenue & Customs show that, from the period ending June 2021, Scottish exports decreased by 14% compared to the previous year – the highest in the UK. The SNP say Boris Johnson must answer for the “catastrophic economic vandalism” created by Brexit.

297. Entertainers: British opera singer Dame Sarah Connolly has warned that Britain will lose its placing among the world’s leading musical nations if younger performers and instrumentalists are not easily able to work abroad again. She says, “Without some kind of situation where British musicians can spend a significant amount of time in Europe, establishing their careers, I am very concerned that [we will lose] what we have at the moment.”
 

Tanis8472

Regular
296. Film industry: The television producer behind HBO’s Game of Thrones has blamed Brexit complications as the reason why a new German science-fiction drama is not being filmed in Northern Ireland. Frank Doelger said, “All of the rules and regulations about equipment going back and forth, transport from Northern Ireland, became something much more complicated.”

295. Food shortages: New data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) suggest 17% of adults claimed to have been unable to buy essential food items in the last fortnight because they were not available, representing up to eight million people. Almost a quarter said the same for non-essential food items.

294. Bank payments: British banks face IBAN payment issues across EU as GB payments begin to be refused. IBAN is an EU system for identifying bank accounts across national borders. Many users report discrimination being a major problem as a number of companies across Europe began to refuse Euro account bank details “if they contained the country code ‘GB’” according to a report in City AM.

293. Milk: Some British dairy farmers have been forced to destroy tens of thousands of litres of milk due to rising costs, labour shortages and an acute deficit of truck drivers which has strained supply chains to breaking point, farmers said. A post-Brexit shortage of workers exacerbated by the global strains of the covid crisis has sown chaos through supply chains according to Reuters.
 

Tanis8472

Regular
292. Cruise ship workers: Cruise ship workers are leaving the industry in droves due to crippling post-Brexit visa rules, a veteran of the industry has claimed. Jean Williams tells The Mirror says her life is being “destroyed” and the livelihoods of many of her friends “sacrificed” thanks to new employment rules which mean many cruise firms are refusing to hire British workers.

291. Shortbread biscuits: Walker’s Shortbread in Scotland is facing a labour shortage crisis due to Brexit. The well-known 123-year-old brand famous for its tartan souvenir tins, faces a shortfall of 200 workers following the pandemic and Brexit. Joint MD Jim Walker said: “We were hoping to make a good recovery this year, but we are now in a situation where we are very short of staff.”

290. Computer chips: The boss of Intel says they are no longer considering building a factory in the UK because of Brexit. CEO Pat Gelsinger told the BBC that before the UK left the EU, the country “would have been a site that we would have considered” but “Post-Brexit… we’re looking at EU countries and getting support from the EU”.

289. Tesco: Tesco is turning to Spanish farmers to supply British consumers with their Christmas food, increasing the number of rail containers of fresh produce from the country from 65,000 to 90,000 by the end of the year. CEO, Ken Murphy, said on Wednesday that the supermarket had ordered 10% more turkeys this year to mitigate any problems
 
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