Oh no!! Brexit not going quite as well as hoped

[MrGrumpy]

They are all a bunch of charlatans .

 

[Deleted member 49]

The Tories lying to win a election is hardly front page news in this country...but it should worry us what levels there prepared to stoop to cling on to power.
As for Ireland they either didn’t have a clue and are guilty of negligence, or they knew and they were willing to play with fire ! Either way they were risking Peace in Northern Ireland !

 

[Rusty Nails]

So, Cummings, of eye test fame is a "goodie" now? Strange old world.

How does that Twitter quote make him a goodie? Please explain.
It reinforces how devious and manipulative the government (and him) were throughout the whole process.

 

[the snail]

I think they suggested that cutting food supplies to Ireland to get whatever they wanted was a good idea.

This to a country that lost tens of thousands due to the famine of the 19th century.

The problem with this nonsense is that it actually demonstrates the real problem with the NI protocol, i.e. It shows how being outside the CU/SM is crippling trade. NI is effectively still in the SM/CU, so food etc. can move freely from the south (EU), the problems are with movements between the rest of the UK and the EU.

 

[Rusty Nails]

The problem with this nonsense is that it actually demonstrates the real problem with the NI protocol, i.e. It shows how being outside the CU/SM is crippling trade. NI is effectively still in the SM/CU, so food etc. can move freely from the south (EU), the problems are with movements between the rest of the UK and the EU.

The NI protocol was a botched job designed just to pretend to the country that the government was concerned about trade between NI and Ireland, and to "get Brexit done".
That they can now say the EU was being unreasonable ignores the fact that they themselves, led by Frost, negotiated, agreed and signed that protocol and just papers over their incompetence and duplicity.
The fact that the EU have dropped some of the rules is a sign of their reasonableness not weakness as papers like the DM crow.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

The NI protocol was a botched job designed just to pretend to the country that the government was concerned about trade between NI and Ireland, and to "get Brexit done".
That they can now say the EU was being unreasonable ignores the fact that they themselves, led by Frost, negotiated, agreed and signed that protocol and just papers over their incompetence and duplicity.
The fact that the EU have dropped some of the rules is a sign of their reasonableness not weakness as papers like the DM crow.

To think he said ''oven ready'' when he meant ''set off unready.''

 

[BoldonLad]

Do tell where I said that ? No you can't...I knew they’ve been taking peace in Northern Ireland for granted all through Brexit so called talks ! They didn't give a feck for any thoughts and stirring up sectarian tensions in NI.One of the biggest reasons I voted remain was Ireland.Other things were secondary.

How does that Twitter quote make him a goodie? Please explain.
It reinforces how devious and manipulative the government (and him) were throughout the whole process.

OK, to answer two in one go.

It was a quick (OK, lazy if you prefer) way to say that, IMHO, using Cummings (of lockdown rule breaking fame) to support a given argument was, perhaps, not very convincing.

Using Cummings / Johnson in a pissing contestant of who is the most untrustworthy, is, IMHO, a joke in itself.

 

[Beebo]

The problem with this nonsense is that it actually demonstrates the real problem with the NI protocol, i.e. It shows how being outside the CU/SM is crippling trade. NI is effectively still in the SM/CU, so food etc. can move freely from the south (EU), the problems are with movements between the rest of the UK and the EU.

Exactly this. James Obrien did 2 hours on this topic today.
The fact is that NI is performing far better than mainland GB and they need to stop this as goods are flowing north / south instead of east / west.
This means that a unified Ireland is far more likely, but more importantly to them it also shows that being out of CU/SM is a disaster and they don’t want people drawing comparisons.

 

[Archie_tect]

The taking of land by force never engenders love and compassion, so the act of forcefully divying up Ireland to the British landed gentry has meant the whole issue is and always will be a problem. While I feel sympathy for those people in NI who wish to remain in the UK it really isn't, and never was, going to be resolved by any trade rules between the EU and Britain. We've said so many times before the referendum, and is borne out by NI voting to remain in the EU... this is their opportunity to do so.

 

[Rusty Nails]

OK, to answer two in one go.

It was a quick (OK, lazy if you prefer) way to say that, IMHO, using Cummings (of lockdown rule breaking fame) to support a given argument was, perhaps, not very convincing.

Using Cummings / Johnson in a pissing contestant of who is the most untrustworthy, is, IMHO, a joke in itself.

On the contrary, it just emphasises the dishonesty around the Brexit campaign and the slogan "get Brexit done". They were hand-in-hand and one as bad as the other and the actions and words of both support the argument.
One has gone, but still snipes from the sidelines, the other is, unfortunately, still bumbling and lying along.

 

[newfhouse]

where does that leave us?

In despair.

 

[Deleted member 49]

Using Cummings / Johnson in a pissing contestant of who is the most untrustworthy, is, IMHO, a joke in

Agreed their a pair of c@nts...but one happens to be leader of this country which still bothers me.

 

[Deleted member 49]

The taking of land by force never engenders love and compassion, so the act of forcefully divying up Ireland to the British landed gentry has meant the whole issue is and always will be a problem. While I feel sympathy for those people in NI who wish to remain in the UK it really isn't, and never was, going to be resolved by any trade rules between the EU and Britain. We've said so many times before the referendum, and is borne out by NI voting to remain in the EU... this is their opportunity to do so.

Makes you wonder why the Irish have such a negative view about us.....
“Surely the message must go out to all countries around the world that this is a British government that doesn’t necessarily keep its word and doesn’t necessarily honour the agreements it makes” - Leo Varadkar https://t.co/JdEVWFhIUe

 

[BoldonLad]

I re-state, I voted Remain.

When discussing the (then) impending referendum with friends/acquaintences/etc I did often mention the rather obvious problem of the land border between RoI and NI. Fortunately (for me) no-one picked me up on it, because, to me, the obvious weakness in this argument was "how does the EU deal with other (non) EU Countries, with whom it has a land border"? I don't know the answer to that question, but, in my overland travels in mainland Europe (including Scandinavia) I have not observed significant "border activity" at any of the land borders (admittedly, I was not driving an artic with shipping container on the trailer).

I am thinking, in particular, Sweden/Norway, France/Switzerland/Germany/Italy, Germany/Czechia (prior 2013), Italy/Croatia/Slovenia/Slovakia (prior 2004).

If Scotland gets independence (and joins EU), will we have a "NI border problem" in Northumberland?

 

[Rusty Nails]

If Scotland gets independence (and joins EU), will we have a "NI border problem" in Northumberland?

I think that is going to be one of the major problems, and will require not just an agreement between Scotland and the less UK, but between those parties and the EU.
A border, with trade controls, would be a terrible outcome for both sides.

But Johnson won't be around to try to sort that out. He'll be making a fortune elsewhere.