Oh no!! Brexit not going quite as well as hoped

[classic33]

i wouldnt say thats very representative either, as we dont know were the data comes from and who was interviewed.........

as they say lies, damn lies and statistics

And if you don't know that, you can't say it isn't representative either.

Do some research on who they spoke to, why and what their answers were, then come back with the evidence to support your claim.

 

[jowwy]

And if you don't know that, you can't say it isn't representative either.

Do some research on who they spoke to, why and what their answers were, then come back with the evidence to support your claim.

ah so have to do the research to back up my claim, but your not asking mugshot to do the research to back up his claim.....thats called doubled standards. But hey whats new from you lot

 

[Rusty Nails]

i wouldnt say thats very representative either, as we dont know were the data comes from and who was interviewed.........

as they say lies, damn lies and statistics

It was a series of surveys of 1800 GB adults.

Statista is a reputable international research and analytics company, not linked to any political party or dogma, so it is likely to be rather more representative than asking a number of mates down the pub.


https://www.statista.com/statistics/987347/brexit-opinion-poll/

 

[Milkfloat]

ah so have to do the research to back up my claim, but your not asking mugshot to do the research to back up his claim.....thats called doubled standards. But hey whats new from you lot

It's YouGov, took me a couple of minutes to find out. YouGov as you might know, is the firm that were accused of allowing Nadhim Zawahi censor a poll showing that Jeremey Corbyn had 'won' a tv debate.

 

[jowwy]

is it yougov or statista???.....one of you might be right

 

[jowwy]

It was a series of surveys of 1800 GB adults.

Statista is a reputable international research and analytics company, not linked to any political party or dogma, so it is likely to be rather more representative than asking a number of mates down the pub.


https://www.statista.com/statistics/987347/brexit-opinion-poll/

who did the research is not the point here....the point is, you want brexiteer to research and back up their claims, but your not asking remainers to do the same. Its the typical double standards we see in this thread.

Its no wonder the membership is so low.

 

[Rusty Nails]

is it yougov or statista???.....one of you might be right

I showed you the website indicating the survey results. You can believe it or not.

I am not sure about any YouGov survey or whether research companies collaborate on publishing surveys.

who did the research is not the point here....the point is, you want brexiteer to research and back up their claims, but your not asking remainers to do the same. Its the typical double standards we see in this thread.

Its no wonder the membership is so low.

The survey results were shown by @Mugshot in his post. It took no time for me, not exactly an internet genius, to find it and see that his claim was valid. If you showed any source that people could check on I would do the same.

Based on people on this forum I could, in theory only, say that 33% of Welsh people are in denial when it comes to Brexit, but obviously I cannot show that my sample size is reliable so I will not say that.

 

[jowwy]

I showed you the website indicating the survey results. You can believe it or not.

I am not sure about any YouGov survey or whether research companies collaborate on publishing surveys.



The survey results were shown by @Mugshot in his post. It took no time for me, not exactly an internet genius, to find it and see that his claim was valid. If you showed any source that people could check on I would do the same.

and that was the same data used in the express brexit poll was it???

 

[jowwy]

I showed you the website indicating the survey results. You can believe it or not.

I am not sure about any YouGov survey or whether research companies collaborate on publishing surveys.



The survey results were shown by @Mugshot in his post. It took no time for me, not exactly an internet genius, to find it and see that his claim was valid. If you showed any source that people could check on I would do the same.

Based on people on this forum I could, in theory only, say that 33% of Welsh people are in denial when it comes to Brexit, but obviously I cannot show that my sample size is reliable so I will not say that.

im not in denial....i just dont care, theres a difference between the two.

and a sample size of 3, you wouldnt be statistically reliable

 

[Rusty Nails]

im not in denial....i just dont care, theres a difference between the two.

and a sample size of 3, you wouldnt be statistically reliable

No sh*t Sherlock.

 

[Deleted member 28]

Ok.

I dion't have a family (orphaned as a baby) but I do have the ability to read newspapers (not just one) and the English language newspapers here in Asia are far more incisive, and truthful (remember facts?) in their reporting of brexit than anything in the UK. Also, I do work with many UK citizens here in HK (there are still a lot of us) from many backgrounds and they say the same thing.

No-one gives a f*ck about brexit? Really?

You only mix with people who agree with you. You have a very tight friends bubble and no-one at all is ever allowed to contradict what you believe. So, how the hell do you know?

This BS argument that just because I live outside the UK prevents me from having an opinion (cancel culture anyone?) doesn't wash as Brexit affects me just as much because I have a UK passport. We don't stop caring when the plane leaves the tarmac.

I've never told people how they should feel but I will call out bullshit when I see it. As I said, people like you and Jowwy are lashing out in embarrassed anger because you're not happy with a mirror being held up to you. That's why you, and Jowwy, refuse to answer the simple question of brexit benefits. There are none. You know there are none. But you cannot bring yourselves to admit it.

Several times I've mentioned this and I no longer have the patience, the time, or the crayons, to explain this further to you.

I just refuse to believe, unless you're a multi-miilionaire, that you're not worried about what's coming over the next year or two. As @icowden mentioned, if you're not, you are very deluded and need to lay off the Daily Express branded Kool Aid.

So you have no family then, make your farkin mind up!

So you think you know what Brexit voting people feel about it because you read it in a newspaper in Hong Kong , you don't listen a thing people say do you?

Where have I ever said there has been any benefits, in fact I've often said there isn't any yet you continue to say I refuse to answer the same boring sh*t you turn out week after week.

I keep telling you over and over again I'm not embarrassed or ashamed or whatever bullsh*t you come out with so why do you think I am, because you read some article in a newspaper ?

Who the f**k do you think you are 'calling out' anyone?

 

[Milkfloat]

is it yougov or statista???.....one of you might be right

We are both right. Statista use the YouGov data (that is what the Statista do), the source is YouGov.

 

[Milkfloat]

and that was the same data used in the express brexit poll was it???

No - they did their own poll

"
In a poll that ran from midday on Thursday, May 12, to 11am on Monday, May 16, Express.co.uk asked: “Has the Brexit we were promised been delivered?”

Overall, 4,273 people responded with the vast majority – 94 percent (4,013 people) – answering “no”, the Brexit we were promised has not been delivered.

Just five percent (222 people) said “yes” and one percent (38 people) said they did not know either way."

I guess you could you could say that Express readers were lefty bitter remainers, but I don't think that wold be accurate.

 

[Deleted member 28]

It's incisive debate like this that really makes you shine @shep. The phrase "up to" is one of the most egregiously pointless in the English language. "UP TO 80% off " includes 1% off. If you can't count your team mates it isn't my fault. You work in a team of 6. If two of the team are part time, that doesn't make them not part of the team any more.


I haven't noticed cookie posting anything that he hasn't backed up. He also doesn't resort to belittling people and swearing, which I was always taught was an indication of a lack of anything intelligent to say.


I think many of them think they were conned. They were taken in, not by the more racist aspects, but by the promises of moving away from Europe and having more money for the NHS.


We don't mention it. Most families don't discuss politics unless they are all of one point of view. Politics tends to be a discussion for friends. And yes, I have both Conservative and Labour supporting friends.

Now, getting back to the point...

We know that you have not experienced any issues with Brexit and all of your friends love it. However we also know that you cannot tell us why or what any of the benefits are.

There are many on here who don't like it and can tell you why and what the problems are, and back them up with expert opinion, reports, analyses, etc.

Why do you think that the second group keep banging on about Brexit? If you want us to be quiet and go away, all you have to do is provide some benefits and some expert opinion or analytics that supports it.

I would be over the moon if we found that there were benefits and that it was actually a great decision. I'd be happy to say "d'you know what - I was wrong. Europe is going down the pan and here we are, low unemployment, the economy booming, one of the most powerful countries in the world. What a great decision it was. I was utterly wrong".

Spoiler: That isn't happening. The UK is now a joke around the world. A laughing stock. Our economy is tanking, inflation is spiralling out of control and we have idiots in charge. If you aren't scared and worried about the future, you are very very deluded.

Are you for real?

How many more times do I need to say I've seen few, if any benefits but the difference is I don't give a t*ss so why do you keep asking?

I'm not deluded I just don't care, I would prefer prices to be lower, my shares to be higher (not really an issue if you don't sell them ) interest rates can go up a bit as I have no mortgage but that's always a sticky subject among people so really why the panic?

Why worry about something you can do little about,

 

[classic33]

who did the research is not the point here....the point is, you want brexiteer to research and back up their claims, but your not asking remainers to do the same. Its the typical double standards we see in this thread.

Its no wonder the membership is so low.

You said
"i wouldnt say thats very representative either, as we dont know were the data comes from and who was interviewed........."
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Dismissing a previous poster. "Do the research" just happens to be a saying that you like throwing at others. You're unable/unwilling to do it yourself though.

I asked you to back up that claim, and I got an answer along the lines expected. You sidestepped the question in your usual manner.



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