Oh no!! Brexit not going quite as well as hoped

[BoldonLad]

Your analysis assumes rationality!

Don't overlook cognitive dissonance. When we discover that we've done something (in this instance, vote leave) that contradicts what our analytical mind tells is right (in this instance, that leaving is an economic disaster), we find it difficult to admit we've done the wrong thing, so we distort our perception of reality so that we can tell ourselves we did the right thing after all.

Hence the people who voted leave because they thought it would be economically advantageous, and are now saying it was never about the economy, it was about sovereignty, and not even about the supposed practical benefits of sovereignty, it's the principle.

And hence our difficulty in engaging in debate with unrepentant leavers, because the reality they allow themselves to perceive is actually different from the reality we observe.

Living, as I do, in a strongly "leave" voting area, I can identify with that.

The only area I would disagree on, is the reason for voting "leave", I believe most "leave" votes were actually against free movement of people (not realising that it would stop THEIR free movement too), but, no-one wanted to say that, so, the said it was about Sovereignty).

What I now notice, among my many Brexit supporting acquaintances is a move towards highlighting any possible "negative" news about the EU. COVID has been a rich feeding ground, compulsory vaccination in Austria, movement restrictions with France etc etc. In addition, there is an almost 100% tenancy to blame the French for the "rubber boats".

 

[BoldonLad]

Living, as I do, in a strongly "leave" voting area, I can identify with that.

The only area I would disagree on, is the reason for voting "leave", I believe most "leave" votes were actually against free movement of people (not realising that it would stop THEIR free movement too), but, no-one wanted to say that, so, the said it was about Sovereignty).

What I now notice, among my many Brexit supporting acquaintances is a move towards highlighting any possible "negative" news about the EU. COVID has been a rich feeding ground, compulsory vaccination in Austria, movement restrictions with France etc etc. In addition, there is an almost 100% tenancy to blame the French for the "rubber boats".

Tendancy! Predictive text strikes again! Pity my phone wasn't made in EU, then, I could have blamed it on them

 

[Fab Foodie]

....and the beat goes on.....

https://www.theguardian.com/educati...to-uk-slump-brexit?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

 

[Salty seadog]

....and the beat goes on.....

https://www.theguardian.com/educati...to-uk-slump-brexit?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Seasons greetings Fabbers.


View: https://youtu.be/zvw5saRBpao

 

[FishFright]

Seasons greetings Fabbers.


View: https://youtu.be/zvw5saRBpao

... and the beat goes on

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz4YH--Xo5I&ab_channel=Mazafak

 

[farfromtheland]

Your analysis assumes rationality!

Don't overlook cognitive dissonance. When we discover that we've done something (in this instance, vote leave) that contradicts what our analytical mind tells is right (in this instance, that leaving is an economic disaster), we find it difficult to admit we've done the wrong thing, so we distort our perception of reality so that we can tell ourselves we did the right thing after all.

Hence the people who voted leave because they thought it would be economically advantageous, and are now saying it was never about the economy, it was about sovereignty, and not even about the supposed practical benefits of sovereignty, it's the principle.

And hence our difficulty in engaging in debate with unrepentant leavers, because the reality they allow themselves to perceive is actually different from the reality we observe.

I do perceive a different reality. I am a different kind of internationalist. 'Sovereignty' is not something I wish for, and neither is economic success on the current model. I believe we face an environmental and economic crisis that has only social community solutions ultimately possible. We need to use drastically less energy and stop manufacturing worthless luxuries, like most people in the wider world already. I believe we can only make this work if we start from first principles and educate ourselves. The more the current party political farce of the UK displays its flaws the better we can do this, and the sooner we start the better.

I want to see regional autonomy grow in the UK, with the North gaining back a manufacturing base from local clean energy. I want the London-centric property market to collapse. I want the money markets to fail - they fund climate exploitation. Most - not all - new 'green' technology and initiatives are largely bogus and the power-base of the EU is at present bound up with the worst of them. I think getting out of the EU now brings these issues more into the open, and that if we carry on trying to be a consumerist economy in a corporate-minded block more people will die more horribly eventually. This sounds drastic - I am happy to explain how I get to this view if you want, seriously.

There are some positive aspects to the pluralism of EU political mechanisms - it overrides national party political alignments to some extent, and proportional representation is a better model than first past the post. I don't think proportional representation is good enough though. I believe accountability is vital in decision making and I support federalism from the local level. I am a libertarian socialist.

Maybe the EU as a political blanket is irrelevant and we could take the cash for regional projects and ignore the rest of it? - this is the most logical argument for EU membership, I think. It still would leave communities dependent on crumbs from the table though, rather than genuine resilience and sustainability.

 

[MrGrumpy]

I want the money markets to fail - they fund climate exploitation.

They also fund pensions

 

[farfromtheland]

They also fund pensions

By investing in all that stuff that kills us softly.

I'd rather have grandchildren!

 

[MrGrumpy]

By investing in all that stuff that kills us softly.

Not all do

 

[farfromtheland]

Not all do

Please name some!

Genuinely mutual societies are thin on the ground these days.

 

[Mugshot]

Immigration rules are to be temporarily relaxed for overseas care workers in a bid to recruit and keep staff, the government has announced.

Bloody foreigners having to come over here to do the jobs that the Brits were going to fill post-Brexit!

 

[the snail]

It's a funny situation - the tory brexit means that foreign workers can come in to take the well-paid jobs, leaving the low-paid jobs for brits. If brits don't want to do those jobs the govt. will have to import workers anyway, so everyone gets freedom of movement, except us. Thank god johnson is on such good form, I'd hate to see what he's like on a bad day.

 

[farfromtheland]

I do think it's funny, but if Brits don't want crapola jobs why should foreigners have do do them to serve Brits? Is that the best freedom has to offer? Are we too lazy to organise ourselves for better pay and conditions?

 

[Fab Foodie]

Lots more winning here....

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...as-ever-negotiated?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

I'm pretty certain he's tried to make the best of it....

 

[farfromtheland]

Cheeze Whiz!