Priti Nazi....

[Deleted member 49]

I get the impression that the left are far harder on their leaders than the right.

Some of us don't see the Blair years through rose tinted glasses.

 

[BoldonLad]

Some of us don't see the Blair years through rose tinted glasses.

Too right we don't, nor the Harold Wilson years, nor the "sunny Jim" years!

 

[mudsticks]

Too right we don't, nor the Harold Wilson years, nor the "sunny Jim" years!

Does anyone with any grasp on history really see any era through 'rose tinted spectacles',??

Sure all that kind of 'Days of Empire'
'Rule Brittania' 'Make America Great Again' bahoolix is wheeled out to get the hard of thinking to vote for populists who hark back to some golden era that never was.

Progress has been made in some areas, it's certainly a better time to be a woman now than it was in the 1980's or 70's - or any time before.

But that's not to say we don't still need to make progress and prevent backsliding .

There's always that risk.

The lazy cynicism of
'Nothing ever changes, don't bother being politically engaged, them politicians theyre all the same' is just that.

Lazy cynicism.

I think some people imagine that attitude makes them look clever or worldly..

I don't know, but it's certainly a popular take with those who would see politics dumbed down, reduced to simple black and white thinking, or preferably ignored all together .

It plays right into the hands of those who want the status quo maintained, and consolidates power, for those who want to retain their power, and wealth all for themselves..

 

[BoldonLad]

Does anyone with any grasp on history really see any era through 'rose tinted spectacles',??

Sure all that kind of 'Days of Empire'
'Rule Brittania' 'Make America Great Again' bahoolix is wheeled out to get the hard of thinking to vote for populists who hark back to some golden era that never was.

Progress has been made in some areas, it's certainly a better time to be a woman now than it was in the 1980's or 70's - or any time before.

But that's not to say we don't still need to make progress and prevent backsliding .

There's always that risk.

The lazy cynicism of
'Nothing ever changes, don't bother being politically engaged, them politicians theyre all the same' is just that.

Lazy cynicism.

I think some people imagine that attitude makes them look clever or worldly..

I don't know, but it's certainly a popular take with those who would see politics dumbed down, reduced to simple black and white thinking, or preferably ignored all together .

It plays right into the hands of those who want the status quo maintained, and consolidates power, for those who want to retain their power, and wealth all for themselves..

I didn't say I did see the past through rose tinted spectacles?, quite the opposite.

I was in rare agreement with @Adam4868

But, feel free to misuse my post.

 

[Fab Foodie]

A Spitfire has just flown over...resisting the urge to sing Rule Brittania....

 

[Deleted member 49]

A Spitfire has just flown over...resisting the urge to sing Rule Brittania....

Save that urge....it'll soon be the Jubilee.Time to dust of that union jack waistcoat of yours.

 

[mudsticks]

I didn't say I did see the past through rose tinted spectacles?, quite the opposite.

I was in rare agreement with @Adam4868

But, feel free to misuse my post.

I didn't say that you did either .

Feel free to misread my post .

 

[BoldonLad]

I didn't say that you did either .

Feel free to misread my post .

Why quote my post then?, if you wanted a post contains the words “rose tinted” Adam’s would have been more appropriate.

 

[mudsticks]

Why quote my post then?

You were talking about how you didn't see X and y eras through rose tinted spectacles' either..

I questioned whether anyone of reasonable intelligent really saw the past in that way .

 

[Deleted member 49]

Does anyone with any grasp on history really see any era through 'rose tinted spectacles',??

It was me.....shoot me !
It was more that there seems to be plenty on here who seem to yearn for a return to the "Blair Years" 🙄
I'm not to sure what they want of Starmer or can anyone say what he actually is or stands for other than being "not a Tory" ?

 

[Rusty Nails]

I didn't say I did see the past through rose tinted spectacles?, quite the opposite.

I was in rare agreement with @Adam4868

But, feel free to misuse my post.

TBF you went a little bit further than @Adam4868, so, since you make it clear that you always try to be fair, can you also confirm you do not see the governments of Heath, Thatcher, Major, Cameron/Clegg, Brown, May through rose-tinted spectacles, and it isn't just Labour governments? You have told us several times you did not vote for Johnson.

For the record I saw the the first Wilson years through rose coloured spectacles because I was a teenager then, having a great time, and saw everything through rose-tinted spectacles.

 

[mudsticks]

It was me.....shoot me !
It was more that there seems to be plenty on here who seem to yearn for a return to the "Blair Years" 🙄
I'm not to sure what they want of Starmer or can anyone say what he actually is or stands for other than being "not a Tory" ?

Sorry ..
Had to nip out to work again .
'Wage slave that I am...

I don't want to shoot anyone, just pointing out that most people who are interested in politics already know that there never was, nor will be ever be a 'perfect' or even close to perfect time .

Only degrees of better or worse.

Right now things are particularly bad, for democracy, truth telling, and general good faith in politics..

It's not always been 'this' bad..

I can't pretend to know about Starmer, 'not Johnson' is a good start, but I can't pretend know what his strategy, Vis a vis Labour is long term..

TBF you went a little bit further than @Adam4868, so, since you make it clear that you always try to be fair, can you also confirm you do not see the governments of Heath, Thatcher, Major, Cameron/Clegg, Brown, May through rose-tinted spectacles, and it isn't just Labour governments? You have told us several times you did not vote for Johnson.

For the record I saw the the first Wilson years through rose coloured spectacles because I was a teenager then, having a great time, and saw everything through rose-tinted spectacles.

How we see our lives , and how we see the political landscape can be two very different things as well ..

My life is pretty brilliant ATM really (lucky me) but that doesn't mean I don't want to be active in making things better in general.

In fact having a pretty OK life means I've got more time and energy and resources to do what I can, when I can ..

 

[BoldonLad]

TBF you went a little bit further than @Adam4868, so, since you make it clear that you always try to be fair, can you also confirm you do not see the governments of Heath, Thatcher, Major, Cameron/Clegg, Brown, May through rose-tinted spectacles, and it isn't just Labour governments? You have told us several times you did not vote for Johnson.

For the record I saw the the first Wilson years through rose coloured spectacles because I was a teenager then, having a great time, and saw everything through rose-tinted spectacles.

I can confirm I do not see the past (and hence any period of Government, by any party) through Rose tinted spectacles. The only two things which spring to mind as being better in the past are chips and black-pudding.

Happy now?

 

[Deleted member 28]

I can confirm I do not see the past (and hence any period of Government, by any party) through Rose tinted spectacles. The only two things which spring to mind as being better in the past are chips and black-pudding.

Happy now?

Life is as good as you make it I reckon, I started work in 1982 and can truthfully say never seen much difference in real terms whoever has been in power.

 

[Rusty Nails]

I can confirm I do not see the past (and hence any period of Government, by any party) through Rose tinted spectacles. The only two things which spring to mind as being better in the past are chips and black-pudding.

Happy now?

As happy as any 75 year old can be.

You know how it is.