Reform, and the death of the Tory Party

[briantrumpet]

I wasted endless pixels criticising the Tories on the BR forum and warned forumites that sending the national debt to North of 2.7 trillion in order to pay for lockdown and furlough was a bad idea. We all know what I got for my troubles so I don't want to rehash that debate or rake over the referendum again either. The Tories are responsible for many of our current ills and I don't absolve them of any blame (not sure what was in my previous post that created the impression in your mind that I was giving them a free pass). We are where we are. Labour claimed to have all the answers but they have singularly failed and have turned a dire economic landscape into an apocalypse.

OK. That's rather more balanced, thanks.

I'm certainly not going to argue that Labour are doing a good job, but maybe that's because they needlessly shackled themselves to the underlying trends set by the Tory Government to get elected, rather than just relying on the massive desire to get the Tories out whatever.

The credulousness of a large chunk of the electorate to empty (unicorn) promises is corrosive to even a shred of honesty in politics from any of the parties in their prospectuses. My 'It's All A Bit Shït But All The Alternatives Would Be Shitter' party probably wouldn't get elected, I'll grant you.

 

[icowden]

I wasted endless pixels criticising the Tories on the BR forum and warned forumites that sending the national debt to North of 2.7 trillion in order to pay for lockdown and furlough was a bad idea. We all know what I got for my troubles so I don't want to rehash that debate or rake over the referendum again either. The Tories are responsible for many all of our current ills and I don't absolve them of any blame (not sure what was in my previous post that created the impression in your mind that I was giving them a free pass). We are where we are. Labour claimed to have all the answers but they have singularly failed and have turned a dire economic landscape into an apocalypse. only had a year and not achieved very much.

FTFY

 

[Dorset Boy]

So no responsibility placed for the parlous state of the UK of 14 years of Tory government or Farage's Brexit. All Labour's fault. OK. Glad we've cleared that up.

That's not what Shortfall said or implied at all

 

[briantrumpet]

That's not what Shortfall said or implied at all

Where in this is any blame placed on the Tories?

In the UK's case we have uncontrolled immigration, a runaway national debt, crumbling NHS and infrastructure, borrowing costs higher than under the Truss government and a chancellor finding herself having to borrow just to pay interest on existing debt. The political and intellectual pygmies that brought the UK to this parlous state have only themselves to blame if they get thrown out of Downing St at the next election and it won't just be the likes of the much maligned "Daz" and the migrant protestors who are responsible for voting Reform in.

The direct implication is that the "political and intellectual pygmies" are the ones in Downing Street now, not the rabble that got voted out at the GE. (The other implication that this lot is worse than Truss.) To his credit, Shortfall elaborated in his next post, which I thanked him for.

 

[Shortfall]

Where in this is any blame placed on the Tories?



The direct implication is that the "political and intellectual pygmies" are the ones in Downing Street now, not the rabble that got voted out at the GE. (The other implication that this lot is worse than Truss.) To his credit, Shortfall elaborated in his next post, which I thanked him for.

Yes when I re read it I hadn't made myself clear so was happy to clarify

 

[Dorset Boy]

Where in this is any blame placed on the Tories?



The direct implication is that the "political and intellectual pygmies" are the ones in Downing Street now, not the rabble that got voted out at the GE. (The other implication that this lot is worse than Truss.) To his credit, Shortfall elaborated in his next post, which I thanked him for.

I disagree. The reference was to the mainstream / traditional parties. Taske your anti-Tory glasses off for a moment and re-read.

 

[briantrumpet]

I disagree. The reference was to the mainstream / traditional parties. Taske your anti-Tory glasses off for a moment and re-read.

I've re-read, and my impression hasn't changed, as the political intellectual pygmies are singularly Labour in this formulation in my reading, even if that's not what Shortfall intended (as per subsequent post).

 

[briantrumpet]

Yes when I re read it I hadn't made myself clear so was happy to clarify

Thank you.

 

[Shortfall]

FTFY

Yes I'm looking forward to your contributions on here after Labour have had 5 years in power. Assuming they even last another 5 years that is.

 

[Shortfall]

I disagree. The reference was to the mainstream / traditional parties. Taske your anti-Tory glasses off for a moment and re-read.

It's certainly what I meant but I wasn't clear enough.

 

[Stevo 666]

When I say batshittery I am talking about the fringe elements.

For example I am specifically referring to the cardiologist and anti vaxxer who delivered a speech at the conference where he claimed the cancer suffered by members of Royal Family was a direct result of having had the covid jab.

Another speaker who has been accused of Islamaphobia in the past wanted to take to the stage wearing a bejewelled purple burka and had to be talked out of it by Richard Tice.

Is that batshit enough for you? I am all for listening to people's legitimate concerns, but any voter that thinks either of the above is reasonable can't be taken seriously.

Sounds like they screwed up there. Although Farage is probably astute enough to realise they shouldn't repeat that.

If you want proper batshittery though, just listen to hard left Labour politicians or militant union leaders talking. Same shoot, different millennium.

 

[Stevo 666]

Enough voters feel so completely ignored, let down and disappointed by so called mainstream politicians that they are prepared to vote for parties led by people like Trump, Farage and quite possibly the obnoxious Connor McGregor soon. It shouldn't be too difficult to deliver policies and outcomes that prevent these people getting a look in but here we are. In the UK's case we have uncontrolled immigration, a runaway national debt, crumbling NHS and infrastructure, borrowing costs higher than under the Truss government and a chancellor finding herself having to borrow just to pay interest on existing debt. The political and intellectual pygmies that brought the UK to this parlous state have only themselves to blame if they get thrown out of Downing St at the next election and it won't just be the likes of the much maligned "Daz" and the migrant protestors who are responsible for voting Reform in.

This current government might just serve as a timely reminder that no matter how bad things seem, leftiebollox is never the answer.

 

[Pblakeney]

In summary, the country is fücked and nobody has any practical solutions.
Eyore has been saying this for years.