Reform, and the death of the Tory Party

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briantrumpet

Well-Known Member
Is it merely a matter of time before the Tory Party goes the way of the Norwegian Blue? I don't suppose it'll happen before the next election, but I can't see they've got a resuscitation strategy. Badenoch is hopeless at the job, no-one wants to take it on, and Farage is better at the populist messaging than anyone in the Tory Party: I suspect that the remaining Tories are either not really populists, or are thinking about jumping the sinking ship.

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Something nasty in the woodshed
It's an interesting dilemma for them, squeezed between Farage monopolising their basest, most feral instincts on one side, and what is the current closest analogue of old school Tory One Nationism actually in government.

However I'm still inclined to think that a (still distant) general election won't be the overwhelming Reform landslide many expect, or indeed wish for. Most people aren't particularly politically engaged, and the idea that for those, politics is "what's on in the background when they're making a cup of tea" implies that there may not be any great public hunger for more 'change', or wish to subvert the status quo.

What the Tories might do (beyond the necessity of defenestrating Mad Badenoch) will be interesting to see, but I think Reform's best chance of making significant gains will likely be a similar level of apathy that led to the government we currently have, where 'traditional' Tory voters clearly just stayed in bed.

And nearer the event, if they're still both targeting the same Carling-swilling, binburning demographic, some sort of Tory/Reform alliance wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.
 

First Aspect

Active Member
I watched a YouTube video by Mallen Baker and his thesis is that Reform UK will go the same way as other Farage publicity vehicles, because it is run as a cult of personality, and that Faeage has never actually been able to run anything else.

Not sure how optimistic that is, given what's happening in the US, but it is certainly true that Farage has thrown his toys out of the pram several times before and that he doesn't play well with others. The higher the stakes get, the more ambitious people will collect and the less likely it is that they will all do whatever he says.

So perhaps the smart move is not to placate Reform voters out of a fear of Reform. 5 years is a long time...
 

First Aspect

Active Member
Incidentally, Tice said this week that the £90Bn tax cut policy wasn't a policy as such, just an aspiration and that they'd have to make some progress on their promised £150Bn spending cuts before cutting taxes.

So they did have a policy. But now they don't.
 

KingstonGraham

New Member
I opined in the other place that Badenoch would win the leadership but not be in charge at the election.

Currently I can't see who they would replace her with except Jenrick, which would be completely insane.

The only logical step is the return of Johnson to lead them into the next election. The man is completely ill suited to the role of PM but he is still their best hope.
 
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briantrumpet

briantrumpet

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I opined in the other place that Badenoch would win the leadership but not be in charge at the election.

Currently I can't see who they would replace her with except Jenrick, which would be completely insane.

The only logical step is the return of Johnson to lead them into the next election. The man is completely ill suited to the role of PM but he is still their best hope.

If their only hope is an incompetent lying narcissist, then it deserves to die. I wish it weren't so, as Labour needs a credible opposition.
 
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