C R
Guru
Par for the course with this lot.
Reform, and the death of the Tory Party
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Par for the course with this lot.
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briantrumpet
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First Aspect
Senior Member
Says it all that a minister doesn't realise that Lizz Truss is the precedent for the unprecedented thing.
The trouble is that to form a view gets very complex. My unthinking view is "long may she stay" which would send the Conservatives further into oblivion. But if that means Reform taking opposition or even Government than maybe a not so damamged Conservative Party is the better solution. So deciding if I'd want Ms Badenoch to stay becomes a lot of guesswork about what many different factors might do over the next few years.
Fortunately I don't get any say in the leadership of the Conservative Party so I can safely watch at their misfortune without taking any responsibility for any outcome.
Ian
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briantrumpet
Veteran
I've repeatedly said that I'd like a strong Tory Party - not one based on bluster and dishonesty (Johnson), but a right wing one that can test both Labour and Reform with intelligent argument about a smaller state and lower taxes - not because I necessarily agree with that POV, but it's an argument that should be made, if only to keep Labour on their toes on the spending/tax front, but to expose the dishonesty at the heart of Reform's populist agenda.
As it was, Labour won because the Tory Party was and is totally adrift and incompetent, and that's not a healthy state of affairs for British politics in general.
Pross
Active Member
Claiming something is unprecedented after literally just mentioning a precedent in Truss is pretty special. Also, it's a bit confusing that the first part mentions "dozens of Tory MPs" but the second part then quotes a "minister".
First Aspect
Senior Member
"Dozens" of Tory MPs is pretty much all of them.
Pross
Active Member
A taste of things to come if the local elections translate to the next GE
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles...WUh9oteYgCsa_m4IwA_aem_c9puB1ya8LoeIpA-GAQPrw
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles...WUh9oteYgCsa_m4IwA_aem_c9puB1ya8LoeIpA-GAQPrw
laurentian
New Member
. . . saddens me to discover that there's an 18 year old even in the Reform party . . .
C R
Guru
Unfortunately, there seem to be quite a few, according to my children.
Pross
Active Member
He’s basically said Brexit and sovereignty are the key to everything despite having been 9 when we had the referendum.
BoldonLad
Old man on a bike. Not a member of a clique.
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yes, perhaps the stereotypes are an illusion?
First Aspect
Senior Member
Family as well, I thjnk he said. Makes sense if his mum still does his washing.
Ian H
Squire
His family were also all 9? What weirdness is this?
icowden
Shaman
To be fair, 18 year olds are easily led.
