Rishi - be a Robin Hood, Tax the richer and give to the poorer....

[BoldonLad]

Not at all pointless for people to give their opinions on the understanding they are not experts or that would close down all internet forums and stop just about all talk of politics, sport, driving, cycling or sex in the pub.

If those armchair Generals talk rubbish about stuff they are unqualified to do, then they are there to be shot down.

I can quite properly have an opinion about whether our public services are not working as they should, or appear to be underfunded, without having to have the expert knowledge to decide on exactly the level of funding required, the amount of tax and the methods of collecting it.

Non experts use their opinions to vote in governments who they hope will have the expertise or take the advice of experts, or vote out those who don't. It's called democracy....rule of the people, not rule of the experts.

I agree, providing the "I" means "we".

 

[Rusty Nails]

I agree, providing the "I" means "we".

Of course. I am nothing if not inclusive.

 

[PaulB]

I've completely lost your thought process with me, you insist on convincing yourself I live in Derbyshire and have never added a worthwhile comment to anything I've ever said.

I don't mind a weird approach to banter but have you a mental issue which skews the world?

Wow, a ten hour day trolling Shania Twain on the internet. You must be very proud with your life's (yes, one is needed there) achievements (no, not there).

 

[newfhouse]

sex in the pub.

Is this a ‘spoons thing?

 

[Rusty Nails]

Is this a ‘spoons thing?

I did notice it earlier but too late to edit it.

You'd know it's not like that at my local if you could see the state of my drinking pals.

 

[Deleted member 28]

Wow, a ten hour day trolling Shania Twain on the internet. You must be very proud with your life's (yes, one is needed there) achievements (no, not there).

Can anyone shed some light on this persons posts?

I realise you must have a bit of a hard on for me but you make absolutely no sense whatsoever, you do have a mental disorder don't you?

 

[mudsticks]

I did notice it earlier but too late to edit it.

You'd know it's not like that at my local if you could see the state of my drinking pals.

But as my bfs legendary granny used to opine - if someone was uncharitable about the attractiveness of a prospective partner.

"Yes but you don't look at the mantelpiece when you're poking the fire"


On the topic
Massively tax hydrocarbons.
And the fossil fuel companies.

Return that tax direct to individuals in the form of a universal basic income, so no one is in in dire poverty. .
And to incentivise a swifter transition to low carbon and more sustainable ways of living, and working..

The IMF have crunched the numbers

Have a more graduated tax system with more tax brackets so everyone pays what they can.
Shouldn't be so hard with everything being done digitally now.

Clean up the system of tax avoidance and offshoring, by very wealthy individuals and businesses.

Progressive land tax, and do away with buy to let incentives.

Return more power and funding to regional and local authorities so they can do what is needed in their areas.

But in the short term to make up the present shortfall windfall tax the fossil fuel companies.

 

[newfhouse]

600,000 people will be pulled into poverty due to inaction at the #SpringStatement

View: https://twitter.com/jrf_uk/status/1507051972616237057?s=21

 

[Beebo]

View: https://twitter.com/jrf_uk/status/1507051972616237057?s=21

Am I missing something with the graph? Where is the effect of salaries not rising with inflation accounted for.

 

[newfhouse]

Am I missing something with the graph? Where is the effect of salaries not rising with inflation accounted for.

It focuses on effects caused by changes or inaction in the Spring Statement.

 

[winjim]

Tax wealth, not just income. We're arguing about whether 40k a year is 'wealthy' and in the same thread talking about luxury yachts. Nobody's buying a luxury yacht on 40k a year. It's a big con amd a distraction to get the lower income working class and higher income working class arguing amongst themselves while the super rich who don't derive their wealth from a PAYE salary carry on as normal.

I've been critical of armchair epidemiologists and of armchair generals and I feel the same about armchair economists but here we go. Despite what I wrote above the PAYE system is all I have experience of so it's all I can comment on. I agree that there should maybe be more increments in the tax system between standard and higher rates. That's progressive. Also, and I don't know how it's worked out currently but the argument about what constitutes a high income (we've been using the term 'wealth' but that's a different thing really) becomes moot if you tax relative rather than absolute income. Find a statistical way of doing it, maybe standard deviations about the mean or median, something like that. Split it into deciles perhaps. Then we can stop being at each others throats about whether wealth suddenly appears at a penny over a specified amount or what have you. Progressive and relative.

 

[Beebo]

It focuses on effects caused by changes or inaction in the Spring Statement.

That makes sense, but by ignoring the effects of current inflation levels on the majority of the population who don’t rely on any state benefits it gives the impression that everyone else is doing ok.
We are all going to be 5% down in real terms, whether we are on benefits or employed. I can’t see huge pay rises on the horizon.

 

[Craig the cyclist]

Tax wealth, not just income.

So poorer people living in expensive houses should be taxed on the value of their house as that could potentially make them very wealthy? Won't that system make them even worse off?

Just for context, I bought a house 22 years ago, it is now valued at over £350,00 what I paid for it (what the actual farking fark is that all about, crazy nuts) and my mortgage finishes in 11 months. Do I now get taxed on my now considerable property wealth, despite my salary not particularly changing as I am a nurse.

Or do you tax 'disposable wealth', super car spending money and not property wealth? In which case I will simply buy a flat and let it out instead of a new motorbike. How will your system work, what is wealth?

 

[winjim]

So poorer people living in expensive houses should be taxed on the value of their house as that could potentially make them very wealthy? Won't that system make them even worse off?

Just for context, I bought a house 22 years ago, it is now valued at over £350,00 what I paid for it (what the actual farking fark is that all about, crazy nuts) and my mortgage finishes in 11 months. Do I now get taxed on my now considerable property wealth, despite my salary not particularly changing as I am a nurse.

Or do you tax 'disposable wealth', super car spending money and not property wealth? In which case I will simply buy a flat and let it out instead of a new motorbike. How will your system work, what is wealth?

I've got a patient here with high cholesterol and raised TC:HDL ratio, normal trigs. No previous lipid profile available, U&Es and LFTs both normal. What should I write on the report?

 

[Craig the cyclist]

I've got a patient here with high cholesterol and raised TC:HDL ratio, normal trigs. No previous lipid profile available, U&Es and LFTs both normal. What should I write on the report?

I think it best that the first thing you should do is to explain, under your duty of candour, that you are not fully concentrating on their care because you are on a cycling forum. Then review your trusts IT policy.

When you have done that, give us a quick run down on how your wealth tax may work for those who don't have much money, but have 'accidentally' found themselves wealthy by virtue of property prices, inheritances etc.