Rishi Sunak is a Tosser....

[qigong chimp]

I'm with Sunak and Bronco on this one. The deal is we boomers get to externalise all the cost of our unsustainable consumption and environmental negligence onto future generations. Offering to pick up some part of the tab not-only gets messy - "Who had the car owning society?" - but is also a betrayal of the political and social contract.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

 

[newfhouse]

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

 

[Salty seadog]

Has Someone said something?

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

Has Someone said something?

I believe a nobody said nothing true.

 

[Salty seadog]

I believe a nobody said nothing true.

Now that's a widely believed fact.

 

[cookiemonster]

Given the economic situation there is a reasonable view that the inevitable cost burden on households of the current targets should be eased.

But a discussion about that is unlikely to take place on here since the majority of posters are only interested in calling Sunak names.

According to the OBR and the OECD, those bunch of leftie remoaners, it'll cost around 0.84% of GDP every year for 25 years to do something about net zero. However, doing nothing will cost 11.4% of GDP every year for 25 years.

You haven't read the report, or cherry picked it at least. Nothing much has changed as 80% of all new cars will have to be electric by 2030. No-one will be forced to buy a new car unless they actually have to.

Doesn't it concern you that this announcement has united environmentalists and the car industry in unison in saying it's crap? He's also announced an end to a policy that never existed to begin with, a meat tax. Those two things should be a red flag to anyone regardless of political belief.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Doesn't it concern you that this announcement has united environmentalists and the car industry in unison in saying it's crap? He's also announced an end to a policy that never existed to begin with, a meat tax. Those two things should be a red flag to anyone regardless of political belief.

It's almost cute to see how some people are lied to that easily the car industry used the green lobby and is continuing to do so, if they weren't they would have come with green alternatives in the 2000's instead they scammed their costumers with ''clean diesels'' the same clean diesels that now are banned from town London etc.
And as an reward for scamming their costumers the car industry gets to do it again.

Please don't repeat the bullshit lie that there are no alternatives, there are, Diesel there is an 100% plant based diesel alternative that not only solves or problem of used palm oil(note the word used, if that is depleted it can be replaced with something else) which makes diesel emisions up to 80% cleaner. (and is at current diesel prices cheaper too) But you can't get it anywhere unless your an Mcdonalds or other large company.

the car industries profits in two ways second hands cars got (much)more expensive their ''billion pounds'' investments in an far from mature technology have a guaranteed clientele as combustion engines will be banned.

It's also the same car industry that tried to block Tesla and killed off an perfectly fine EV in the late 90'' because they didn't like it's succes.
so they should not be trusted

 

[BoldonLad]

According to the OBR and the OECD, those bunch of leftie remoaners, it'll cost around 0.84% of GDP every year for 25 years to do something about net zero. However, doing nothing will cost 11.4% of GDP every year for 25 years.

You haven't read the report, or cherry picked it at least. Nothing much has changed as 80% of all new cars will have to be electric by 2030. No-one will be forced to buy a new car unless they actually have to.

Doesn't it concern you that this announcement has united environmentalists and the car industry in unison in saying it's crap? He's also announced an end to a policy that never existed to begin with, a meat tax. Those two things should be a red flag to anyone regardless of political belief.

I think the car industries dissatisfaction may have more to do with the rule that 20% of new cars sold must be electric from January 2024, rising to 80% by 2030. There is a penalty of £15,000 per car for failure. This rule has not been relaxed, but, relaxing the ban on ICE vehicles to 2035 may remove some of the incentive for the public to switch to EVs, thus, making the Motor Manufacturers task more difficult.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/sep/21/carmakers-uk-sell-electric-vehicles-fines

 

[Pale Rider]

Nothing much has changed

Agreed, which means what Sunak said is not worth getting wound up about, although I do think he's on the right lines.

 

[cookiemonster]

Agreed, which means what Sunak said is not worth getting wound up about, although I do think he's on the right lines.

I don't think he's on the right lines at all and, as has been proven in the media, why would he make such a big deal about something that's not changing much at all? Plus announcing the abolition of policies that don't actually exist, except with the voices in his head maybe is also quite strange.

 

[Unkraut]

Agreed, which means what Sunak said is not worth getting wound up about, although I do think he's on the right lines.

Maybe he looked across to Germany, where to save the planet the Greens in govt have pushed up energy costs so they are now the highest in Europe.

This is leading to rumblings of alarm that a process of de-industrialisation will take place as businesses relocate to where it is cheaper. The US is a good example of this.

Even allowing the worst case climate scenarios to be true knackering your own economy to make an almost immeasurably small contribution to holding down the increase in temperature doesn't seem very wise to me.

 

[albion]

https://classicsworld.co.uk/opinion/was-the-sinclair-c5-30-years-too-early/

Or if cities had a 20mph limit?

 

[albion]

Maybe he looked across to Germany, where to save the planet the Greens in govt have pushed up energy costs so they are now the highest in Europe.

This is leading to rumblings of alarm that a process of de-industrialisation will take place as businesses relocate to where it is cheaper. The US is a good example of this.

Even allowing the worst case climate scenarios to be true knackering your own economy to make an almost immeasurably small contribution to holding down the increase in temperature doesn't seem very wise to me.

The closing of nuclear to become near fully reliant on Russia was likely the prelude to where we are now. Sadly, that new Scottish oilfield is certainly a necessity.