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[icowden]

"Inclusion" could be anything. Could be oddbods employed to administer isolation rooms and behaviour system or attendance, and could include teaching staff.

No they don't. The teaching staff are listed separately because they are teaching staff. The inclusion team seems to be focused on students with additional social/ emotional needs where they are supported through 1:1 and small group interventions. The learning support team appear to be the TAs, although a lot of them have SEND specialisms.

That is only because you are speaking from a position of ignorance, but also an unfounded self-confidence. It doesnt matter whether your mum was a teacher 20 years ago.

Is it also irrelevant that my BiL is a secondary school teacher, my wife is a Deputy Head and former SENDCO, and my mother in law was a home school link worker specialising in SEND, my dad was a Deputy Head Teacher and my grandma a Head Teacher. It's almost like I come from a family of teachers, married a teacher and for about 3 years worked part time in a school as a teacher.

My dad was a doctor, but i know FA about the health service because if it.

I'm not to blame for your lack of interest in your father's career.

The point is that teachers teach and they have TAs or learning support assistants, or inclusion staff or whatever to support those children with additional needs. A teacher teaching 30 kids in a class has no time to do much in the way of pastoral care. Smaller class sizes have better outcomes and we need to invest in schools and teachers. If schools were actually good, or even half decent, fee paying schools would go out of business. A vaguely intelligent government would realise that if they invested in education it's actually good for the economy.

 

[Fab Foodie]

Every day is a school day here....

 

[icowden]

And you're as ill informed as @icowden

Harsh! Although I will concede that I was speaking of English schools only (I misspoke when I put UK) not Scottish schools which are different in many respects.

 

[multitool]

Secondary modern schools today[edit]​

View attachment 4650 Wetherby High School; a former secondary modern; now comprehensive school
In counties still operating a selective system, as of 2015 there were 130 schools fulfilling the role of the secondary modern by taking those pupils who do not get into grammar schools.[16] These schools may be known colloquially (though not officially) as high schools (Medway and Trafford), upper schools (Buckinghamshire), all-ability or non-selective schools.

The term secondary modern has completely disappeared in the naming of schools, although in 2013 the National Association of Secondary Moderns was founded by Ian Widdows, former Headteacher at the Giles Academy in Boston, Lincolnshire.[17] The organisation represents non-selective schools in selective areas[16] and has organised a number of national conferences since it was founded, such as one in April 2016 addressed by Shadow Secretary of State for Education Lucy Powell, Tim Leunig from the Department for Education, and National Schools Commissioner Sir David Carter, among others.[18][19]




You just said that grammar schools don't exist. Make your mind up.

Schools can call themselves whatever they want...but there are no secondary modern schools. There may still be some grammar schools, but that doesn't mean there are still secondary moderns. They disappeared the moment the 11+ ceased to be compulsory. (even in areas which retained grammar schools).

And no, I didn't say there are no grammar schools, indeed there are 6 within a 12 mile radius of me, and 3 of them are called "high schools"....remember? That thing you said didn't exist.

 

[multitool]

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No they don't. The teaching staff are listed separately because they are teaching staff. The inclusion team seems to be focused on students with additional social/ emotional needs where they are supported through 1:1 and small group interventions. The learning support team appear to be the TAs, although a lot of them have SEND specialisms.

It isn't that delineated. SLT all teach, for example. Headteachers nearly always teach. The SENCO probably teaches

Is it also irrelevant that my BiL is a secondary school teacher, my wife is a Deputy Head and former SENDCO, and my mother in law was a home school link worker specialising in SEND, my dad was a Deputy Head Teacher and my grandma a Head Teacher. It's almost like I come from a family of teachers, married a teacher and for about 3 years worked part time in a school as a teacher.

Weird that you know so little then, isn't it.

The point is that teachers teach and they have TAs or learning support assistants, or inclusion staff or whatever to support those children with additional needs

You were telling me that TAs support everyone. You've started arguing against yourself now.

. A teacher teaching 30 kids in a class has no time to do much in the way of pastoral care.

That is what tutor time is for. But actually you are now starting to argue my point for me.

Smaller class sizes have better outcomes and we need to invest in schools and teachers. If schools were actually good, or even half decent, fee paying schools would go out of business. A vaguely intelligent government would realise that if they invested in education it's actually good for the economy.

Yes

 

[Julia9054]

Are we STILL willy waving to show which non teacher knows the most about the current professional jargon and organisation in schools?
What was the point of this thread again?

 

[Mr Celine]

What was the point of this thread again?

Dunno Miss, the OP never defined the thread's expected learning outcomes.

 

[multitool]

Are we STILL willy waving to show which non teacher knows the most about the current professional jargon and organisation in schools?
What was the point of this thread again?

It's important to correct falsehood.

It is also relevant because I'm suggesting that binary rules free the teacher from having to spend time arguing over nuance. Icowden is suggesting that classroom assistants and SLT deal with all this.

But, you know, you are not compelled to read any of this, and you are free to contribute if you feel you have something of value to say.

 

[Fab Foodie]

Are we STILL willy waving to show which non teacher knows the most about the current professional jargon and organisation in schools?
What was the point of this thread again?

Like most threads these days it boils down to the same member wankfest. The topic's irrelevent....

 

[Julia9054]

member wankfest

Well that's put me off my breakfast

 

[matticus]

Like most threads these days it boils down to the same member wankfest. The topic's irrelevent....

You're not supposed to say this out loud. I mean, we all know it, but there is a certain suspension of disbelief required for enjoyment of NACA ...

 

[icowden]

It's important to correct falsehood.

Unfortunately you don't seem able to differentiate opinions from falsehoods. Two people can think different things. It doesn't mean that one of them is wrong. For someone who argues the case for non-binary, you often seem to be very binary in your thinking.

It is also relevant because I'm suggesting that binary rules free the teacher from having to spend time arguing over nuance. Icowden is suggesting that classroom assistants and SLT deal with all this.

I'm suggesting that teachers have very little time to deal with anything other than teaching, planning and marking, and that the use of classroom support is essential in dealing with behavioural issues as well as specialist SEND support for those children who need it.

 

[multitool]

Unfortunately you don't seem able to differentiate opinions from falsehoods. Two people can think different things. It doesn't mean that one of them is wrong. For someone who argues the case for non-binary, you often seem to be very binary in your thinking.

Nope, I'm talking about facts.

By the way, it is poor form to bring your petty squabble from another thread into this one.

I'm suggesting that teachers have very little time to deal with anything other than teaching, planning and marking, and that the use of classroom support is essential in dealing with behavioural issues as well as specialist SEND support for those children who need it.

Classroom assistants rarely deal with behaviour issues in secondary.

And, its good to see that you understand the need for strict rules.

 

[AndyRM]

Like most threads these days it boils down to the same member wankfest. The topic's irrelevent....

Once you realise that @multitool is right about everything and is allowed to insult other users with impunity, everything is all right.

 

[matticus]

Once you realise that @multitool is right about everything and is allowed to insult other users with impunity, everything is all right.

This forum was created so that users would be allowed to insult other users with impunity. It's helpful to realise this as early as possible in one's NACA "journey" .