Seemingly trivial things that elicit an emotional response of some kind

[First Aspect]

In a market economy, it doesn't really matter if the job is technically equal, if no one wants to do it, you have to pay more, because the market says it's a different job.

Or if other people can't do it.

As someone who was taught maths by geography teachers and German by people who couldn't speak German, and music by people who happened to have a key to the music room, I can assure you that all subjects are not created equal. It's naive to presume so.

 

[Pross]

Sure, but I only need a crayon to teach geography.

You remind me so much of Sheldon Cooper (except that he would consider chemistry as a bit of a part-time hobby).

 

[First Aspect]

You remind me so much of Sheldon Cooper (except that he would consider chemistry as a bit of a part-time hobby).

Physicists are always arrogant. But they can't cope if it goes beyond hydrogen.

 

[C R]

Or if other people can't do it.

As someone who was taught maths by geography teachers and German by people who couldn't speak German, and music by people who happened to have a key to the music room, I can assure you that all subjects are not created equal. It's naive to presume so.

That's a non sequitur. All subjects need teachers qualified in that subject to do a good job.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Subject knowledge is only part of what being a successful teacher is about. To differentiate on that alone would be unfair.

The salaries have improved quite a bit over the years and the pension scheme is excellent. The reason it isn't attracting more applicants in general is workload and classroom behaviour. The reason it isn't attracting stem graduates is they can get £5k pa more doing something with less hassle.

 

[First Aspect]

That's a non sequitur. All subjects need teachers qualified in that subject to do a good job.

Not to the same extent. It's no more true than to argue that teaching special needs or primary school is the same as teaching geography GCSE.

I expect it maintans staff room harmony to pretend all animals are equal, though.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Sure, but I only need a crayon to teach geography.

And a constipated maths teacher needs a pencil to work it out.

 

[First Aspect]

Subject knowledge is only part of what being a successful teacher is about. To differentiate on that alone would be unfair.

The salaries have improved quite a bit over the years and the pension scheme is excellent. The reason it isn't attracting more applicants in general is workload and classroom behaviour. The reason it isn't attracting stem graduates is they can get £5k pa more doing something with less hassle.

Who said that was all it was about. It is a factor, and one which simply has to vary by subject.

What treasure trove of graduate STEM jobs paying £38k a year plus whatever else is needed to make up the pension difference, are you referring to?

That's about £5-£10k more than we pay our PhD level graduates.

 

[C R]

Not to the same extent. It's no more true than to argue that teaching special needs or primary school is the same as teaching geography GCSE.

I expect it maintans staff room harmony to pretend all animals are equal, though.

[Deliberately offensive mode]
I'm going to guess that you have a degree in engineering or one of the lower sciences and you're still but hurt that physicists didn't consider you worthy of their respect.
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[First Aspect]

[Deliberately offensive mode]
I'm going to guess that you have a degree in engineering or one of the lower sciences and you're still but hurt that physicists didn't consider you worthy of their respect.
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Spot on.

It was worse than that at uni. At formal dinners subject such as chemistry were regarded as new and we had to sit at the back. People doing PPE got to sit at the front. It is so unjust.

 

[AuroraSaab]

That's about £5-£10k more than we pay our PhD level graduates.

You pay PhD qualified staff £28k?

 

[First Aspect]

You pay PhD qualified staff £28k?

Yep, bit higher maybe. It's because they are generally wet behind the ears and need to qualify as patent attorneys. Same as accountants or actuaries I suppose.

What else would a STEM graduate do... Posdoc. Well that's £32k or so to start out.

Here are a few options. https://uk.indeed.com/m/jobs?q=chemistry graduate&l=&salaryType=£30,000&from=serpso

Nothing jumps out as a pot of gold. This is why I'm not longer a scientist.

 

[First Aspect]

In fairness, I don't think anyone would pretend that being a postdoc was all that stressful unless it's someone trying to be an actual academic. Which is more stressful.

Lecturers incidentally seem to start in the high 30s. But by the time you get to do that, you've already done a PhD and a couple of postdocs, sk normally are in your early to mid 30s.

Makes graduating from a bachelors and a 1 year PGCE I to a £36k a year job seem not that bad, doesn't it?

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Sure, but I only need a crayon to teach geography.

Is/was there a subtle joke here I'm missing?
Apologies if so.
Sounds like the ramblings of someone who would only be allowed crayons under strict supervision as they would likely stick them up their nose

 

[briantrumpet]

It does cheer me up that a font can still be so recognisable and creatively used that it becomes a thing in its own right. Someone created a Mamdani poster generator, and it's crossed the Atlantic now.