Starmer's vision quest

[Deleted member 49]

One of that odd sub-group of bands with an utterly wretchedly awful vocalist - without whom they'd have got absolutely nowhere. It's a paradox, alright.

Big Country ? Agreed.

 

[Xipe Totec]

Big Country ? Agreed.

Didn't much like that nasal Americanised whine Stuart Adamson affected from Peace In Our Time onwards, but he was a pretty decent singer prior to that. If you'd been talking about his previous band with Richard Jobson, you'd have a point!

Are we getting off-topic, and does it matter any more?

 

[Rusty Nails]

Feck....the sharing of wealth.Cant have any of that.

Don't have too much of it in real, as opposed to theoretical, communism.......unless you are part of the party elite. Then it turns into another, even more totalitarian version of capitalism.

People, and their greed for power/wealth/status are the problem, not ideology, which will always be compromised in the end.

 

[BoldonLad]

Didn't much like that nasal Americanised whine Stuart Adamson affected from Peace In Our Time onwards, but he was a pretty decent singer prior to that. If you'd been talking about his previous band with Richard Jobson, you'd have a point!

Are we getting off-topic, and does it matter any more?

Topic? I think I will have to google that

 

[Xipe Totec]

Topic? I think I will have to google that

There's a hazelnut in every bite, if memory serves.

Or was that squirrel sh!t?

 

[Wobblers]

This won't do, guys. For the last 3 days the top 3 threads have been members rowing and slagging each other off. Now Adam has bumped this one and it's starting to look like a discussion forum again. Tsk.

Is it time for Starmer to go?

To be honest, yes. He's not united the party. He hasn't come up with any inspiring policies. He's insipid as a leader. I criticised Corbyn over his lack of leadership qualities often enough, but I find Starmer little better. No substance. It's not enough to be perceived as "not Corbyn". To have that as your unique selling point, as Starmer has, really isn't good enough. (Though it goes without saying, he'd still be better as PM than the current crop of mendacious hopefuls... )

So the question is: who can replace him?

 

[Wobblers]

Hey, I row with Adam all the time. Usually about the Lib Dems but if you really want me to up the ante I think the Stone Roses were a mediocre band at best.

Ah. A Happy Mondays fan, then?

 

[winjim]

Ah. A Happy Mondays fan, then?

I wasn't aware it was a binary choice but I know who I'd rather go to a party with.

 

[Rusty Nails]

I wasn't aware it was a binary choice but I know who I'd rather go to a party with.

At the moment they'd call it a wake, but would probably still have a few laughs.

 

[winjim]

At the moment they'd call it a wake, but would probably still have a few laughs.

Yeah, sad times. The take home message that everyone seems to agree on at the moment is that on the records the bass was far too low in the mix.

 

[Deleted member 49]

I'm presuming Starmer will now restore the whip to Corbyn....
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/labour-forde-report-antisemitism

 

[FishFright]

Nobody told him you can't win seats in Germany ?

View: https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1548605577689026562?t=W5r-pkfY0SANlON32eAn9Q&s=19

He went on holiday in a huff after no one nominated him for the tory leadership contest.

 

[FishFright]

This won't do, guys. For the last 3 days the top 3 threads have been members rowing and slagging each other off. Now Adam has bumped this one and it's starting to look like a discussion forum again. Tsk.

Is it time for Starmer to go? I liked him. I had high hopes of Labour making progress against the Tories with him as leader. I know that the pandemic pushed everything else aside and it would have been difficult for any party to gain ground in such unprecedented circumstances, but we're coming out of the pandemic (for now) and he still can't seem to make much of an inroad. Perhaps it was too much to expect - to both unite the party and look like an election winner.

He turned out to be useless as a leader of his party and a pathetic joke as leader of the opposition
Other than that he's done ok .

 

[Deleted member 49]

Freedland and The Guardian were complicit as the rest in their smear campaigns.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic..._source=Twitter&utm_medium#Echobox=1658233558

 

[Rusty Nails]

Freedland and The Guardian were complicit as the rest in their smear campaigns.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic..._source=Twitter&utm_medium#Echobox=1658233558

Afaics the summary says there were faults on both sides at that time, the only given being the disfunctionality of the Labour Party at that time.

I am not sure a great deal has changed under the surface and the report will be cherry-picked by both sides for vindication.