Starmer's vision quest

[newfhouse]

The fact is if Starmer comes out and expresses the need for ceasefire it will make no difference to whether a ceasefire happens, but it will open up calls for him to explain how Israel can defend itself if it cannot do so militarily.

Why express any firm opinions on any matter, then?




Oh... he's ahead of me, isn't he?

 

[winjim]

The fact is if Starmer comes out and expresses the need for ceasefire it will make no difference to whether a ceasefire happens, but it will open up calls for him to explain how Israel can defend itself if it cannot do so militarily.

Yes I have to do my job sometimes and it sucks but that's life.

 

[C R]

You'll note that I didn't say Starmer was supporting genocide, I observed that he might be factoring it into his 'calculated decisions'. As it happens I take the position that failing to call for a ceasefire to be support of current Israeli actions. If we're talking about international law then I can't say it's definitely genocide as that has a specific legal definition and also as I linked above, it's debatable whether the right to self defence applies here. If Israel doesn't recognise Palestine as an independent state and Hamas as its legitimate government (and I'm not suggesting that anybody should) then what it's fighting is not a defensive war against an aggressive neighbour, but a counter terrorism operation or counter insurgency.

But back to Starmer, I am now less likely to vote Labour than I was a month ago. Do you think he's factored that into his calculations?

According to the article I quoted we are just fleas being shaken off.

 

[matticus]

The Onion stands with Starmer.
https://www.theonion.com/the-onion-stands-with-israel-because-it-seems-like-yo-1850922505

That is brilliant. I used to think they were just "cheeky schoolboys - but bloody funny". That's a step up.

 

[multitool]

Yes I have to do my job sometimes and it sucks but that's life.

If you look really carefully you'll notice no EU or Western leader has called for a ceasefire.

Have a little think why that is and pop back

 

[winjim]

According to the article I quoted we are just fleas being shaken off.

 

[qigong chimp]

If you look really carefully you'll notice no EU or Western leader has called for a ceasefire.

Have a little think why that is and pop back

<Hand raised> Ooh, me Mr Tool Sir! Please Sir, Me!

 

[multitool]

<Hand raised> Ooh, me Mr Tool Sir! Please Sir, Me!

Go ahead, Orifice

 

[winjim]

Sheffield Labour says ceasefire.


View: https://twitter.com/_OliviaBlake/status/1719036008878973003?t=whh_N_7wR0frW_I4QbHzvA&s=19

 

[multitool]

So does Tory MP Paul Bristow.

He's been told to resign

 

[Deleted member 49]

Better to hide away and say nothing....this Labour party is fecked.

View: https://twitter.com/singharj/status/1719047763948638243?t=-WZQ3ZyVChB6FNg-9bwO9g&s=19

 

[Deleted member 49]

Lol.

View: https://twitter.com/PhilipProudfoot/status/1719054611217039666?t=gIR-MeibgMFKoQcy7FT9Dg&s=19

 

[C R]

So does Tory MP Paul Bristow.

He's been told to resign

So not only should Labour steal tory policies, they should also steal their disciplinary procedures to complete the toryification.

 

[BoldonLad]

So does Tory MP Paul Bristow.

He's been told to resign

Another Labour MP (Andy McDonald) suspended after a speech relating to Gaza conflict https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67268154

Interesting times, if this becomes Starmer's demise , who is favourite to step in?

Could Gaza be the final straw which snatches defeat from certain victory?

 

[multitool]

It won't. I suspect whatever Starmer is or isn't saying about Gaza is not first and foremost on people's minds.

(except Corbynites)