Starmer's vision quest

[The Crofted Crest]

But you honestly didn't expect Starmer to reveal his plans to the Tories when he was in power, did you? He's keeping his powder dry. 4D chess is a long game.

 

[theclaud]

How long are we giving Starmer, then? Will he see out 2025?

 

[The Crofted Crest]

I think he'll see out his full term, doing very little progressive or positive. And the Labour party is too spineless to do anything about it.
Conservative clubs all over the nation are already dusting off the bunting and inspecting the street-party trestle tables.

 

[Xipe Totec]

 

[icowden]

I think he'll see out his full term, doing very little progressive or positive. And the Labour party is too spineless to do anything about it.
Conservative clubs all over the nation are already dusting off the bunting and inspecting the street-party trestle tables.

They do seem to be strangely underwhelming at the moment. As a former barrister I really expected Starmer to be much better at things like PMQs, and I think most people expected Labour to change things even if it was only moving back to where we were under Blair, where arguably, many things were working a lot better. Above all, I think we all thought that they might have a different approach than more austerity.

 

[Ian H]

How long are we giving Starmer, then? Will he see out 2025?

I expect Musk will know.

 

[C R]

They do seem to be strangely underwhelming at the moment. As a former barrister I really expected Starmer to be much better at things like PMQs, and I think most people expected Labour to change things even if it was only moving back to where we were under Blair, where arguably, many things were working a lot better. Above all, I think we all thought that they might have a different approach than more austerity.

Should I, and others, tell you that we told you so?

 

[Rusty Nails]

Should I, and others, tell you that we told you so?

Even if you did there really was no other party with a cat-in-hell's chance of dislodging the Tories...except as it turns out an even more right wing party than the Tories (no, not Labour).

Lib-dems were not an option for many. The Greens are just a political wet dream. The Nats in Scotland and Wales were out of fashion. Once Starmer was chosen as Labour leader there was no other realistic alternative to getting rid of the Tories.

 

[Psamathe]

I expect Musk will know.

He will know because he will be deciding.

Ian

 

[icowden]

Should I, and others, tell you that we told you so?

Would it help? I didn't vote for him. So far he hasn't crashed the economy or cost me huge amounts in interest, so thus far it's a win compared to previous PMs.

 

[BoldonLad]

He will know because he will be deciding.

Ian

Exactly, move over the "dirty digger"

 

[Psamathe]

They do seem to be strangely underwhelming at the moment.

Trouble is that "underwhelming" is not as harmless as it sounds but has major impacts on people eg people waiting in pain whilst they wait watching their operation or consultant appointment slip ever further away eg as people already struggling have parts of society's safety net pulled away from them eg as people deteriorate in hospital when they could go home and live best they could except no care services available, etc., etc. Starmer being ineffectual is devastating people's lives.

Ian

 

[BoldonLad]

I can't see how Labour/Starmer are going to sort NHS and waiting lists without sorting Social Care eg to clear the "bed blocking" in hospitals.

Yet seems Labour have kicked any real action into the very long grass. Now we won't know whether or how we need to setup a National Care Service until a new inquiry reports in 3 years time. (there will be intermediate reports but as always big decisions will have to "wait for the inquiry report" in 3 years).

Since 1995 we've had 3 x Government Commissions, 3 x Independent Commissions, 5 x White Papers and 14 x Parliamentary Committee Inquiries and now Labour, rather than actually do anything are just announcing yet another inquiry. Beggars belief.

So yet another Government who really don't want to act on Social Care.

Ian
nb I hate the term "bed blocking" as it implies it's the patients blocking others where reality is patients would love to go home and its lack of services keeping them using NHS resources.

Well, the can has been kicked down the road for another 3 years minimum. So, whatever we choose to call it “bed blocking” is here to stay, quite possibly for my life time.

 

[Ian H]

It's okay - he's found his mojo (turns out she's Italian)..

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...e-is-in-tune-on-many-issues-with-keir-starmer

 

[Psamathe]

Well, the can has been kicked down the road for another 3 years minimum. So, whatever we choose to call it “bed blocking” is here to stay, quite possibly for my life time.

The daftness about the "Cross Party Consensus" is that, get such a consensus now and great until eg another Ms Truss gets control of Conservatives or Mr Corbyn Mk II gets control of Labour or Farange gets more MPs in a hung Parliament and suddenly that consensus plan is ... another inquiry to get an acceptable cross party consensus. Dilnot had cross party consensus but now instead we have another inquiry lasting 3 yeats.

Ian