Starmer's vision quest

[multitool]

Rent-free.

Again, you can and should do better.

 

[theclaud]

Good faith question:
Those of you who would cheer a Starmer resignation in the near future , what are you hoping will happen next?

Not sure anyone is cheering as such, given that there are even worse individuals in the same cabal, and that they've got the entire party apparatus stitched up so as to prevent any unfortunate outbreaks of democracy or serious political project. Let's not forget that the reason they were recently unable to act against the threat of Musk bankrolling Reform is that they've deliberately made the Labour party dependent on donations from squillionaires. The observation is merely that Starmer has monumentally fucked it (on his own terms as much as anyone else's), even before you get to the truly unforgivable stuff like aiding and abetting genocide. I could derive some enjoyment from their surprise at how quickly the same interests that shitehoused them into power are turning on them, if it weren't for the fact that the most likely outcome of the whole sorry era is a Farage government. They could, of course, decide to make this less likely by changing direction completely and belatedly becoming a serious political alternative. Spoiler: they won't.

 

[theclaud]

Oohhhhhhhhh....Jeremeee...Corrrrrrrbbbbiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnn

Again, you can and should do better.

LOL.

 

[multitool]

Not sure anyone is cheering as such, given that there are even worse individuals in the same cabal, and that they've got the entire party apparatus stitched up so as to prevent any unfortunate outbreaks of democracy or serious political project. Let's not forget that the reason they were recently unable to act against the threat of Musk bankrolling Reform is that they've deliberately made the Labour party dependent on donations from squillionaires.

Lol. I'm old enough to remember the previous century when Bernie Eccleston gave Labour a million. So it's hardly new.

The observation is merely that Starmer has monumentally fucked it (on his own terms as much as anyone else's),

And what is the "it" that Starmer has fűcked? Or maybe you are getting carried along on the right-wing sponsored media campaign.

even before you get to the truly unforgivable stuff like aiding and abetting genocide.

Yeah...you were saying he was doing that even before he was made PM
Take a breath

I could derive some enjoyment from their surprise at how quickly the same interests that shitehoused them into power are turning on them,

And what are those "interests" and how did they put Starmer in power?

The impression I got that it was people voting the Tories out.

if it weren't for the fact that the most likely outcome of the whole sorry era is a Farage government.

Only if you believe Farage's own hype, which clearly you do.

They could, of course, decide to make this less likely by changing direction completely and belatedly becoming a serious political alternative. Spoiler: they won't.

One minute you want them to spend their time responding to the shrill howls of the twitterati...the next you are moaning that they aren't a 'serious political alternative' to Farage.

 

[theclaud]

Lol. I'm old enough to remember the previous century when Bernie Eccleston gave Labour a million. So it's hardly new.

So am I. And I'm enjoying the careful phrasing - as if it is an eternal historical character of the party, a thing that might have happened under Atlee or Wilson or Callaghan, rather than a specific story about your cargo cult idol Blair, about New Labour's love affair with multi-millionaires, and about the growing power of unelected SPADs. Jonathan Powell, who introduced Ecclestone into Downing Street, is now National Security Adviser to Starmer. He once instructed Peter Mandelson (now Ambassador to the US) to "get up the arse of the White House and stay there". Superfluous advice, obviously, but there the UK has remained...

And what is the "it" that Starmer has fűcked? Or maybe you are getting carried along on the right-wing sponsored media campaign.

Government. Politics. Even just looking like the dull, competent, professional face of Labour that was supposed to be his entire USP. Is it your contention that he has not, in fact, fucked it, and that we should simply wait for the big reveal that you keep hinting at?

Yeah...you were saying he was doing that even before he was made PM
Take a breath

I was, and you were claiming that he couldn't do anything without being in power. So now, he's in power, and is still backing Israel's campaign to eliminate the Palestinians... Sorry if you want it to go way, but it's not going to be forgotten, Multz. Ever.

And what are those "interests" and how did they put Starmer in power?

The impression I got that it was people voting the Tories out.

Yeah, you're right - there are no unelected interests with power and influence in the UK, who could possibly have a say in who is and who isn't allowed to be in government.

Only if you believe Farage's own hype, which clearly you do.

How's treating Faragism as a joke rather than a political threat going so far, in your opinion?

One minute you want them to spend their time responding to the shrill howls of the twitterati...the next you are moaning that they aren't a 'serious political alternative' to Farage

"The shrill howls of the Twitterati" ≠ deliberate attacks on elected individuals of other states, by the richest man in the world, who has his own giant social media platform, and who has just been gifted a top role deregulating the largest economy in the world...

 

[multitool]

Much, much better.

But still only a C-. Still wild flailing and a "throw-as-much-shịt-as-possible-in-the-hope-that-some-of-it-sticks" kind of post. It does not hang together well, and it still fails to make any sort of really cogent, interesting point.

 

[mjr]

Useful reminder!

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That out of context unsupported personal attack might be more impactful if I recognised the author's face.

 

[AndyRM]

Oh, cool, we're grading and critiquing posts now?

Fun.

 

[multitool]

Oh, cool, we're grading and critiquing posts now?

Fun.

C- is a shorthand. The post was mostly hot air, strawman and misrepresentation that I cannot be bothered to address.

 

[AndyRM]

C- is a shorthand. The post was mostly hot air, strawman and misrepresentation that I cannot be bothered to address.

Thanks for the 'splain.

 

[multitool]

Thanks for the 'splain.

You are welcome.

 

[Bromptonaut]

It's almost as if you think the role of the PM is to respond to what some troll on twitter says.

The government, and those of the rest of Europe, need to get a grip on Musk.

The damage his vendetta against Starmer and in particular the stuff about Child Sex Abuse has done needs sorting. Now.

 

[multitool]

The government, and those of the rest of Europe, need to get a grip on Musk.

The damage his vendetta against Starmer and in particular the stuff about Child Sex Abuse has done needs sorting. Now.

Why should Starmer take Musk's repeated baiting? Its ephemeral. He'll be saying something else next week, and the week after. The British government does not have to dance to the tune of a capricious billionaire, regardless of who he is and what he owns.


Starmer's immediate issue is how to foster a productive relationship with Trump, because he has to. Getting into a slanging match with Musk, on Musk's terms would be foolish. Sometimes it is better to say nothing and not get sucked into every fight.

Starmer has one massive luxury...time. There is no election here for 4 years. People are attempting to judge the Labour administration now, which is a ridiculous stance, but it is symptomatic of a political landscape where many have lost faith in the traditional political class and have become accustomed to pulling down Prime Ministers.

 

[Ian H]

Starmer has one massive luxury...time. There is no election here for 4 years. People are attempting to judge the Labour administration now, which is a ridiculous stance, but it is symptomatic of a political landscape where many have lost faith in the traditional political class and have become accustomed to pulling down Prime Ministers.

There doesn't seem to be much belief that anything much is going to happen in that time. So far it's just endless row-backs and kicking stuff into the long-grass of committee deliberations.

 

[multitool]

There doesn't seem to be much belief that anything much is going to happen in that time. So far it's just endless row-backs and kicking stuff into the long-grass of committee deliberations.

"Belief" is the key word. It is a matter of unrealistic expectations coupled with an age of political cynicism.

But, there are already moves being made to address longterm issues. Increasing nurses pay, funding NHS dentistry, planning etc etc, but of course social media gossip is more captivating for some.