Starmer's vision quest

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icowden

Squire
Trouble is that "underwhelming" is not as harmless as it sounds but has major impacts on people eg people waiting in pain whilst they wait watching their operation or consultant appointment slip ever further away eg as people already struggling have parts of society's safety net pulled away from them eg as people deteriorate in hospital then they could go home and live best they could except no care services available, etc., etc. Starmer being ineffectual is devastating people's lives.
But is he any worse than Sunak? I think not.
 

multitool

Pharaoh
This entire narrative about Labour's first 6 months (well, it started after 4) tells you everything about the lack of understanding of what is possible from politics and the nature of 180 character thought patterns and debate. It is beyond moronic.
 

theclaud

Reading around the chip
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multitool

Pharaoh
Has Starmer (or any of his goons) yet managed to utter a word in defence of Jess Phillips, who is being openly attacked by Musk?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.s...d-and-misinformed-says-wes-streeting-13283128

Not sure why you couldn't have just looked for yourself rather than asking on an obscure cycling forum. Doesn't really give an impression on awareness.
 

theclaud

Reading around the chip
https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.s...d-and-misinformed-says-wes-streeting-13283128

Not sure why you couldn't have just looked for yourself rather than asking on an obscure cycling forum. Doesn't really give an impression on awareness.

Multz. I know you've yoked yourself to this bunch of bastards, to own the Corbynistas and that, but is it too much to ask for you to salvage a soupçon of self-respect and credibility by refusing to spin Streeting's predictable appeasement of unhinged Nazi bajillionaires who are inciting violence against elected representatives of another state and his willingness to throw literally anyone under the bus if it gets him an inch further up the greasy pole as anything other than craven bootlicking by one of the worst people in politics? Cos, despite your insistence to the contrary, there is no one here who is stupid enough to think that this is a defence of his colleague, our democracy, child abuse victims, or anything else except his own grotty little ambitions.
 

multitool

Pharaoh
Multz. I know you've yoked yourself to this bunch of bastards, to own the Corbynistas and that, but is it too much to ask for you to salvage a soupçon of self-respect and credibility by refusing to spin Streeting's predictable appeasement of unhinged Nazi bajillionaires who are inciting violence against elected representatives of another state and his willingness to throw literally anyone under the bus if it gets him an inch further up the greasy pole as anything other than craven bootlicking by one of the worst people in politics? Cos, despite your insistence to the contrary, there is no one here who is stupid enough to think that this is a defence of his colleague, our democracy, child abuse victims, or anything else except his own grotty little ambitions.

It's almost as if you think the role of the PM is to respond to what some troll on twitter says.

I'll ignore all the strawman in the first part of your post but for the acknowledgement that I recognise your need to try and manoeuvre people into the position you need in order to attack. It's getting a little tiresome, and you really should do better.
 
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