Starmer's vision quest

[C R]

Good word.

Can't remember where I got it from, xkcd or Jesus&Mo. It is a very cromulent word for this purpose.

 

[icowden]

Jess Philips does not impress me. Her words join up a bit too randomly.

I've always found her quite coherent and fair minded. She is one of the few MPs who genuinely seem to work hard for their constituents. Maybe if we had more MPs like Jess Philips, Anna Soubry, Rory Stewart, Ed Milliband, we wouldn't be in quite the pile of shoot we are in now. They often say that the best person to be in charge is the person that doesn't want to be in charge.

 

[theclaud]

I've always found her quite coherent and fair minded. She is one of the few MPs who genuinely seem to work hard for their constituents. Maybe if we had more MPs like Jess Philips, Anna Soubry, Rory Stewart, Ed Milliband, we wouldn't be in quite the pile of shoot we are in now. They often say that the best person to be in charge is the person that doesn't want to be in charge.

Is there another Jess Phillips I wasn't aware of?

 

[theclaud]

Seems it's now official Labour policy to hope Nicola Sturgeon has COVID.

 

[Xipe Totec]

Seems it's now official Labour policy to hope Nicola Sturgeon has COVID.

Grim, but entirely consistent with their position as expressed by Lisa Nandy, of 'hating' the SNP, and declaring that the independence movement (and by definition Scotland's democratically elected government) should be dealt with in the same way the Catalonian independence movement was.

 

[Deleted member 49]

Banning anyone from the left but welcoming Tories with open arms.
So far ahead in the polls 🙄 Yet he dare not offer anything more than the Tories!
Some vision....

 

[Deleted member 49]

Grim, but entirely consistent with their position as expressed by Lisa Nandy, of 'hating' the SNP, and declaring that the independence movement (and by definition Scotland's democratically elected government) should be dealt with in the same way the Catalonian independence movement was.

Working with the tories in Scotland, going as far as to suspend 2 councillors for refusing to back the tories against the SNP.

 

[cookiemonster]

Banning anyone from the left but welcoming Tories with open arms.
So far ahead in the polls 🙄 Yet he dare not offer anything more than the Tories!
Some vision....

Scottish Labour did this 6 times despite Sarwar saying that they'll be no deals.

Red Tories now. Pure and simple.

 

[cookiemonster]

Working with the tories in Scotland, going as far as to suspend 2 councillors for refusing to back the tories against the SNP.

Strangely, the SNP wiped the floor with Labour this year but it seems the democratic will of the Scottish electorate means nothing.

 

[jowwy]

Strangely, the SNP wiped the floor with Labour this year but it seems the democratic will of the Scottish electorate means nothing.

They voted NO against independence, but the SN wont accept that, so you cant then complain about the Democratic will of the Scottish people being ignored....as the SNP are ignoring it themselves

 

[Xipe Totec]

They voted NO against independence, but the SN wont accept that, so you cant then complain about the Democratic will of the Scottish people being ignored....as the SNP are ignoring it themselves

Could you point me to the paragraph in the post-referendum agreement which states that the result was permanent, incontrovertable and could never be re-run, overruled or disputed in any way whatsoever?

Since 2014, the SNP have won every single election in Scotland by a significant margin. They have done so as a party that exists to achieve Scottish independence, and with a manifesto pledge to obtain a second democratic referendum.

Do you think the people who repeatedly elect them somehow misunderstand what they are voting for?

 

[Deleted member 49]

Utterly depressing ☹️

View: https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1584474401298608130?t=b78p8Ryy5c5N3j3duD1GRQ&s=19

 

[theclaud]

Utterly depressing ☹️

View: https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1584474401298608130?t=b78p8Ryy5c5N3j3duD1GRQ&s=19

'A slightly different approach' than drowning people at sea.

 

[cookiemonster]

They voted NO against independence, but the SN wont accept that, so you cant then complain about the Democratic will of the Scottish people being ignored....as the SNP are ignoring it themselves

May I suggest that you look at the Edinburgh Agreement which does actually state that the Scot Gov does have the legal right to hold a second referendum if there's a major material change.

What happened in 2016? That's the trigger.

 

[jowwy]

Could you point me to the paragraph in the post-referendum agreement which states that the result was permanent, incontrovertable and could never be re-run, overruled or disputed in any way whatsoever?

Since 2014, the SNP have won every single election in Scotland by a significant margin. They have done so as a party that exists to achieve Scottish independence, and with a manifesto pledge to obtain a second democratic referendum.

Do you think the people who repeatedly elect them somehow misunderstand what they are voting for?

once in a generation vote........SNP - Anti-Democratic Party