Starmer's vision quest

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CXRAndy

Well-Known Member
You claimed it was about Germany not paying. It isn't, because Germany has already accepted it needs to spend more. This was the entirety of your point.
Germany don't want to be seen to committing spending anything on Ukraine with their elections due imminently
 

multitool

Pharaoh
Germany don't want to be seen to committing spending anything on Ukraine with their elections due imminently

What? :laugh:

You do realise that the German coalition collapsed last november which is why a budget for 2025 has not been approved?

But that doesn't mean it is not being talked about because it is. The major parties all accept that the military part of the budget needs to increase, because last year it was 2% of GDP and to maintain it needs about €30 billion more annually.

The CDU and the CSU both accept this as a lower limit. The Greens want to increase it to 3.5% which would take it to the average level of spending during the Cold War (bar a blip upwards after the Berlin Wall went up and the Cuban missile crisis when it hit nearly 5%)

You don't half talk bollocks
 

CXRAndy

Well-Known Member
No one will want to put their hand up and commit, well not yet. When they have secured power. Committments will be fleshed out
 

monkers

Legendary Member
Love how politicians try and change the narrative by renaming illegal immigrants

Last week the government has published videos of deportations, restated its intention to criminalise people arriving irregularly, and banned them from ever becoming British citizens.

That doesn't work anymore

How I wish you'd be willfully dedicated to educate yourself. Instead you are willfully dedicated to remaining uneducated as if that in itself is some form of achievement.

To be an ''illegal immigrant'' you arrive by the legal routes, but then claim asylum using falsified documents, or overstay on a visitors permit as your hero Musk did in the USA.

Leaving a country in peril and arriving in another without documents to claim asylum whether that be by any route or means of transportation is not ''illegal''.

The evidence of how wrong you are is staring you in the face. The cries and shouts to leave the ECtHR is exactly because Tory and Reform ambitions are unlawful. ''Irregularly'' in this context recognises that the so-called ''small boat people'' are not acting illegally, but not entering via official routes. They are doing so because the UK is unlawfully blocking their access via legal routes.
 

multitool

Pharaoh
No one will want to put their hand up and commit, well not yet. When they have secured power. Committments will be fleshed out

More utter bollocks from you displaying total ignorance. Why do you do this to yourself?

The major parties have ALL committed to increasing spending in order to maintain and/or increase proportion to 2% of GDP.

Except for your guys, the far-right AfD. They are not. But they are proposing to reintroduce national service.
 

monkers

Legendary Member
There you have the get out line

'For as long as necessary'.

Germany or Ukraine

Are you just pretending to be this stupid? Just read again what you said before, and now.

Essentially your position is that you've rung the doorbell, ducked down below the line of sight of the door viewer, thinking that when the door is opened you'll remain invisible if you keep your eyes shut.
 

CXRAndy

Well-Known Member
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Psamathe

Well-Known Member
More utter bollocks from you displaying total ignorance. Why do you do this to yourself?
And why does he force the rest of us to endure it as well?

Arguments and data so weak (blindingly obvious twaddle) it's never going to convince anybody with 2 brain cells.

Ian
 
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