Starmer's vision quest

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Take down the bunting after all.

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But….but according to the DM & Telegraph it is a triumph of brexit.

Oh the soul searching and the angst :addict:
 

Psamathe

Senior Member
The devil will be in the details, as usual.
I suspect that the devil will be tiny. Much ado about nothing, in GDP terms.
trouble is, bottom line, we've given away stuff (eg revenue, protections) and we are not even back to the position we were in Jan this year (ie we're still worse off than in Jan despite giving stuff away).

And some "detsails" are concerning as they can't be verified eg "No hormone fed beef" except US farmers stop feeding hormones as cattl;e get nearer slaughter so yoiu can't detect the hormones. Good job I'm vegetarian but with details still to emerge maybe we will also be getting banned pesticides in our veg.

Ian
 

Pblakeney

Active Member
trouble is, bottom line, we've given away stuff (eg revenue, protections) and we are not even back to the position we were in Jan this year (ie we're still worse off than in Jan despite giving stuff away).

And some "detsails" are concerning as they can't be verified eg "No hormone fed beef" except US farmers stop feeding hormones as cattl;e get nearer slaughter so yoiu can't detect the hormones. Good job I'm vegetarian but with details still to emerge maybe we will also be getting banned pesticides in our veg.

Ian

This is all true, and a concern. The solution is simple, don't buy American meat. The tariffs are meaningless if there is no market.
 
In reality will it be labelled as American? I'll have to ask my local pie shop where they source their beef.

Consumers in the UK have a right to know where their meat was reared and slaughtered, any labelling should tell you this.
I would quite happily not buy beef if I was in any doubt.
 

bobzmyunkle

Über Member
It's not so much why not, more most people won't. I eat very little meat and I'm affluent enough to be able to choose quality over price. I also have the time to make that choice. I suspect American beef will be used at the cheap/processed end of the food market.
 
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Pross

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It's not so much why not, more most people won't. I eat very little meat and I'm affluent enough to be able to choose quality over price. I also have the time to make that choice. I suspect American beef will be used at the cheap/processed end of the food market.

Is it any worse than the French horse meat those products currently use?
 

C R

Veteran
I'll be checking, for sure. It was bad enough before Trump, but now they are defanging all the regulatory agencies, I suspect we're going to see some wild public health and safety disasters in the US.

We are already seeing that with the measles epidemic in Texas and surrounding states. The WHO now consider that herd immunity to measles has been lost.
 

briantrumpet

Well-Known Member
We are already seeing that with the measles epidemic in Texas and surrounding states. The WHO now consider that herd immunity to measles has been lost.

It's going to be interesting to see how obvious the degradations become by the time of the midterms, and how desperately the administration tries to cover them up by muzzling reporting of statistics. I think the most visible one will be air safety, as it's quite tricky to cover up air crashes, and given Americans' addiction to unlimited air travel, I suspect there will be quite a few 'incidents'.

Others, such as public health ones, will be somewhat slower-burn, but the death toll could eventually be in the millions, particularly if it involves anything like covid. That'll be hard to cover up, and is likely to affect the poor and poorly educated (i.e. overwhelmingly MAGA) to a much greater extent.
 
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