Starmer's vision quest

[Pblakeney]

Agreed. The original First Blood's a stone-cold classic.

I find the series projection to be strange.
In the first one he is an anti-hero but definitely the absolute hero in the others. Maybe just my take.

 

[matticus]

It is beyond my ability to work out if this would be financially viable, but, "gut feeling" suggests it would, bearing in mind the vast sums spent on Rwanda "solution", French "solution", Hotel accommodation etc:

- lay on free ferry Calais - Dover

- increase "processing staff" numbers, and, base them onboard the ferry

- process each asylum seeker as they board, those who pass, free ride to Dover, those who fail, disembarked before sailing.

We may have been here before:
https://www.france24.com/en/france/...pen-legal-migration-route-amid-channel-crisis

"Great Britain needs to open up a legal immigration route" because "at the moment anyone who wants to ask for asylum has no other choice but to cross the Channel," Darmanin said in an interview with the RMC/BFM media group.

French officials have already suggested that British immigration officials process asylum requests in northern France from migrants camped out around the major ports on France's coast.

[2021 - Johnson government]

 

[BoldonLad]

We may have been here before:
https://www.france24.com/en/france/...pen-legal-migration-route-amid-channel-crisis

I find that is the problem with good ideas, someone else has usually thought of them first 😂

To the best of my knowledge, and, despite the claims on here, there is no reliable data as to the proportion of migrants who are Asylum seekers, vs, economic immigrants. I am not expressing a view either way. However, if the number of economic migrants is significant, the people smugglers may still have a business, transporting those who are refused entry via the "legal" (and free) route. I do recall reading (although I have been unable to find the article online) that at least one of those drowned, in an early rubber boat incident, was a young lady who was wishing to enter UK to "be with her boyfriend", the article claimed that she was simply too impatient to wait for a visa, rather than being likely to be refused entry. I think the article was on the BBC website, and, there were interviews with the unfortunate young lady's parents, on BBC News, confirming the story.

Maybe, she was just a very unlucky individual, or, maybe she was the tip of an iceberg. Without accurate and impartial data, it is impossible to say.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

I find that is the problem with good ideas, someone else has usually thought of them first 😂

To the best of my knowledge, and, despite the claims on here, there is no reliable data as to the proportion of migrants who are Asylum seekers, vs, economic immigrants. I am not expressing a view either way. However, if the number of economic migrants is significant, the people smugglers may still have a business, transporting those who are refused entry via the "legal" (and free) route. I do recall reading (although I have been unable to find the article online) that at least one of those drowned, in an early rubber boat incident, was a young lady who was wishing to enter UK to "be with her boyfriend", the article claimed that she was simply too impatient to wait for a visa, rather than being likely to be refused entry. I think the article was on the BBC website, and, there were interviews with the unfortunate young lady's parents, on BBC News, confirming the story.

Maybe, she was just a very unlucky individual, or, maybe she was the tip of an iceberg. Without accurate and impartial data, it is impossible to say.

There is plenty, the Home Office and the migration Obervatory at Oxford record all immigration numbers and reasons given. The number of non EU based applicants for work i.e. economic migrants, is around 400,000 (plus EU citizens which adds another 150,000 or so). The number of Asylum applications hovers around 80-110,000 per year.

If the implication is that people claiming asylum are actually economic migrants using this as cover, it doesn't really stack up as you cannot work whilst claiming asylum and the average case takes over a year to get a decision, so it would be fairly pointless. Of course, Asylum Seekers ultimately want to be granted Asylum and become able to work but that does not make them economic migrants per se.

As I have said before, I worked previously for one of the largest migration research institutes in the UK. I have met and worked with many Asylum Seekers and Refugees. If people actually met them in person you would see within 2mins that they have no intention of coming here to claim benefits or 'game the system'. These are desperate people living in desperate circumstances. These are not well paid professionals earning £100k traversing the globe to get a new well paid job in another country. They are people who often feel a risk to their lives taking extremely dangerous routes, and being exploited along the way, for reasons of self preservation and a better life.

 

[LCpl Boiled Egg]

I find the series projection to be strange.
In the first one he is an anti-hero but definitely the absolute hero in the others. Maybe just my take.

They should have gone for the original ending. There'd have been no sequels after that.

 

[BoldonLad]

There is plenty, the Home Office and the migration Obervatory at Oxford record all immigration numbers and reasons given. The number of non EU based applicants for work i.e. economic migrants, is around 400,000 (plus EU citizens which adds another 150,000 or so). The number of Asylum applications hovers around 80-110,000 per year.

If the implication is that people claiming asylum are actually economic migrants using this as cover, it doesn't really stack up as you cannot work whilst claiming asylum and the average case takes over a year to get a decision, so it would be fairly pointless. Of course, Asylum Seekers ultimately want to be granted Asylum and become able to work but that does not make them economic migrants per se.

As I have said before, I worked previously for one of the largest migration research institutes in the UK. I have met and worked with many Asylum Seekers and Refugees. If people actually met them in person you would see within 2mins that they have no intention of coming here to claim benefits or 'game the system'. These are desperate people living in desperate circumstances. These are not well paid professionals earning £100k traversing the globe to get a new well paid job in another country. They are people who often feel a risk to their lives taking extremely dangerous routes, and being exploited along the way, for reasons of self preservation and a better life.

I was meaning the proportion of asylum seekers vs economic migrants arriving by "rubber boat", not the total number of economic migrants vs asylum seekers.

Personally, I don't doubt the bolded bits above, but, there are regular claims that every boat is full of qualified engineers, nurse, doctors etc.

I too have met immigrants (at least one of who was classified as an asylum seeker), although, no doubt, not in the same numbers as your goodself. Those I have met (most of whom are daughter N04's work colleagues) have been hard working and perfectly likeable.

I have no issue with immigrants, my daughter-in-law and two of my grandchildren are immigrants, in that they were born outside the UK, but, now live in UK. During my working life, I worked in several countries, it would be a trifle mean spirited to think that it ok for me to work in another country, but, not for "them" to come here.

IMHO it is the lack of accurate information, and, the "touchiness" of the subject which "feeds" the Reform agenda.

 

[CXRAndy]

Don't forget the machine guns. Let's see those .50cal incendiary rounds ripping into their soft, puny bodies & shocked, wide-eyed, terrified faces at 1500 rpm, reducing them to red spray and bloodrags on the surface of the water if they DO NOT COMPLY IMMEDIATELY.

That's what you really want.

I know where there's a few ex hamas weapons stores

 

[C R]

I know where there's a few ex hamas weapons stores

Because you helped the Israelis plant them there?

 

[CXRAndy]

Because you helped the Israelis plant them there?

Hello CR, you must have seen the light, welcome back into the fold

 

[CXRAndy]

View: https://x.com/ForeverScept/status/1930348870560604217?t=SChgt5BfJ0m1KiM2mlKfsg&s=19

 

[CXRAndy]

This is why politicians have never lived in the real world.

Couldn't even figure out which side the hinge pivot was on




View: https://x.com/Basil_TGMD/status/1930580331695931516?t=G4eZlmWUDk8YaDScw4e7Kg&s=19

 

[CXRAndy]

Labour and MSM sweeping this type of incident under the rug


View: https://x.com/ForeverScept/status/1930525400318251495?t=ddChgNk-q_w6hyk6P5sfdg&s=19

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

I was meaning the proportion of asylum seekers vs economic migrants arriving by "rubber boat", not the total number of economic migrants vs asylum seekers.

Personally, I don't doubt the bolded bits above, but, there are regular claims that every boat is full of qualified engineers, nurse, doctors etc.

I too have met immigrants (at least one of who was classified as an asylum seeker), although, no doubt, not in the same numbers as your goodself. Those I have met (most of whom are daughter N04's work colleagues) have been hard working and perfectly likeable.

I have no issue with immigrants, my daughter-in-law and two of my grandchildren are immigrants, in that they were born outside the UK, but, now live in UK. During my working life, I worked in several countries, it would be a trifle mean spirited to think that it ok for me to work in another country, but, not for "them" to come here.

IMHO it is the lack of accurate information, and, the "touchiness" of the subject which "feeds" the Reform agenda.

Cheers, I was not making any comments directed at yourself by the way, just in general discussion. Fair point on boat crossings. Not foolproof, but the way to make sense of the stats on boat crossings is to look at the number making Asylum claims and the grant rate. From 2018-24 there have been around 150,000 small boat arrivals, and around 96% of those have claimed Asylum. So far, just over 50% have received a decision, and roughly 2/3rds have been approved. That leaves about 25,000 people that have been refused, and quite a large % of that figure were Albanian, so these would likely have been economic migrants or people being trafficked. I think you are realistically looking at around 10-15% of small boat arrivals being economic migrants (or people being forced into slavery). The next few years will give a clearer idea but as the Albanian deal has reduced these numbers, I suspect the number of economic migrants arriving by small boats will lower.

 

[BoldonLad]

Cheers, I was not making any comments directed at yourself by the way, just in general discussion. Fair point on boat crossings. Not foolproof, but the way to make sense of the stats on boat crossings is to look at the number making Asylum claims and the grant rate. From 2018-24 there have been around 150,000 small boat arrivals, and around 96% of those have claimed Asylum. So far, just over 50% have received a decision, and roughly 2/3rds have been approved. That leaves about 25,000 people that have been refused, and quite a large % of that figure were Albanian, so these would likely have been economic migrants or people being trafficked. I think you are realistically looking at around 10-15% of small boat arrivals being economic migrants (or people being forced into slavery). The next few years will give a clearer idea but as the Albanian deal has reduced these numbers, I suspect the number of economic migrants arriving by small boats will lower.

No offence taken, and, similarly, I am not having a dig at you, at least you have avoided playing the "fascist card"

If we take your figures, 150,000 arrivals, 50% processed (75,000), or which 2/3 granted asylum (50,000), so, 25,000 processed, but, not approved,

As I said, I have no issue with migrants, including economic migrants, but, it concerns me that the lack of transparency is allowing Reform to thrive, and, this is not healthy. Equally concerning is the assumption that everyone who takes the Reform bait is a thick racist. Well, in my experience, many of them are not well educated, and, yes, they tend to be able to recite their football team's statistics rather than even know the name of their senior Politicians, but, we are not all University Graduates, there is a significant proportion of the population with no formal education beyond age 15 or 16. Perhaps, instead of Voter_id we need Voter_IQ, or Votes for Graduates only? (I jest, by the way).

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

No offence taken, and, similarly, I am not having a dig at you, at least you have avoided playing the "fascist card"

If we take your figures, 150,000 arrivals, 50% processed (75,000), or which 2/3 granted asylum (50,000), so, 25,000 processed, but, not approved,

As I said, I have no issue with migrants, including economic migrants, but, it concerns me that the lack of transparency is allowing Reform to thrive, and, this is not healthy. Equally concerning is the assumption that everyone who takes the Reform bait is a thick racist. Well, in my experience, many of them are not well educated, and, yes, they tend to be able to recite their football team's statistics rather than even know the name of their senior Politicians, but, we are not all University Graduates, there is a significant proportion of the population with no formal education beyond age 15 or 16. Perhaps, instead of Voter_id we need Voter_IQ, or Votes for Graduates only? (I jest, by the way).

Totally agree with you that judging Reform voters as inherently racist is both untrue and counterproductive. I get what you are saying but I don't think it is lack of transparency, all of the information is there. It is more a lack of willingness to use it. Obviously Reform are never going to present statistical facts as it is not in their interest, but Labour should be doing so rather than echoing Reform narratives around immigration. I agree with you, this creates the space for Reform's blatant misinformation to take hold as it is not being challenged with actual facts.

To be fair, people on my side of the fence are guilty too. The research institute I worked for were terrified of any public engagement around their work for fear of backlash or getting accused of promoting mass immigration, so they tended to stick to academic circle's and not communicate with the public when they had tons of evidence and information around immigration, Refugees and the Asylum process.