Starmer's vision quest

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CXRAndy

Legendary Member
Should Reform worry about the Cadbury Party splitting the populist vote?
No

Labour and libdems should

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Stevo 666

Senior Member
Do you think that would get reflected if a General Election was called today though? Most people get a dose of reality when they enter the polling booth.

Not sure but as people used to say in Cake Stop, it definitely indicates a direction of travel. Have to say that seeing the leftie support split right down the middle in that poll made my day 🙂

Maybe I should start a new thread: 'Join Your Party and save your country'? Has a strangely familiar ring to it...
 

CXRAndy

Legendary Member
Ian Hislop is now outraged that people are getting arrested for telling jokes

People have been getting arrested for decades now Ian and you stayed silent because it was people that dont share your politics

Welcome to the world you helped create

Replies summed up


Spot on. Ian had no issue when it was others being silenced — as long as it wasn’t his side.

Now it’s creeping into his world, and suddenly it’s a problem.

Too little, too late. This is the censorship culture you helped normalise.ple that dont share your politics

Welcome to the world you helped create
 

CXRAndy

Legendary Member
Thousands of rural businesses associated with the countryside have closed down since Rachel's attack on farmers. The rate of 6000 closures, is twice that of new business start ups.

Well done Rachel 👏
 

bobzmyunkle

Über Member
Thousands of rural businesses associated with the countryside have closed down since Rachel's attack on farmers. The rate of 6000 closures, is twice that of new business start ups.

Well done Rachel 👏
Are you referring to inheritance tax changes that don't come into affect until 2026?
 

CXRAndy

Legendary Member
Are you referring to inheritance tax changes that don't come into affect until 2026?
Yes your correct inheritance tax arrives 2026

But there is NI increases and lack of business confidence which has taken its toll.

Do remember those with farms worth over a million, there is still time to top yourself, save a fortune you could never spend- you're dead
 

C R

Guru
Yes your you are correct inheritance tax arrives 2026

But there is NI increases and lack of business confidence which has taken its toll.

Do remember those with farms worth over a million, there is still time to top yourself, save a fortune you could never spend- you're dead
Tut tut.
 

First Aspect

Senior Member
On this particular issue, the fear is that the case law will result in a manifestly silly nany state ruling, that somehow people who weren't told that the person helping them was going to be renumerated for doing so and as such it was somehow unfair regardless of whether the terms were totally reasonable. This is distinct from, for example, diesel gate where there was intentional deception.

No doubt brokers urged people towards deals structured in such a way that favoured them, but to be honest I can't see the issue and there's no suggestion that it wasn't also better for anyones individual circumstances or would have been relevant to their decisions.

It's no different from haggling over the price of the car in the first place and what the hell do people expect to be happening?
 

Psamathe

Über Member
I see a couple of potential problems with predicting the impact of the Fruit & Nut Party

1. Corbyn stands by his principles and he can easily blurt out some extreme left policy without considering it would alienate large numbers of potential voters. It's honest, it's being open so the electorate know where they stand but from a political perspective it risks electoral success.

2. So far from an election people polled are more open to exploring possibilities. Now they don't have to think about who they want in power but can follow today's outcry. They don't have a vote in the near future and parties are not presenting their plans, just lots of wild ideas from parties who don't have to implement their mad impractical ideas. Closer to an election people can balance real world potential. It's a bit like French elections where 1st round people happy to vote more extreme then they panic at the result and vote more moderately in the 2nd round.

Ian
 
We're firmly at number 2 atm in my opinion. People are still fed up with the Tories, getting increasingly fed up with Starmer, so alternatives like Reform and Corbyn are going to evoke some superficial support at this stage. They might even score some wins in council elections. I just can't see that transforming into substantial numbers of votes in a general election. There'll be lots of talk of Corbyn playing the long game or having played a blinder, or whatever else was also said about his Brexit strategy, but I'll be amazed if his party amounts to much.
 
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