Starmer's vision quest

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pubrunner

pubrunner

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briantrumpet said:
Quite so. Sell a positive vision of what you believe in. Get the machinery of government working properly (such as processing migrants efficiently) etc. If they get the machinery right, they can point to their record in a couple of years.
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Exactly this ^^^ (IMHO).

Labour need to really grow up and win the people over by doing their pledges. There's no point blaming Farage when he isn't in power - they're letting him live rent-free in their heads, which is doing them no favours.

The public wants to see progress. Blaming Reform isn't progress - its petty. Be bigger. Be better. Do what you said you were going to do and then maybe you'll win people over.
 
briantrumpet

briantrumpet

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pubrunner said:
Exactly this ^^^ (IMHO).

Labour need to really grow up and win the people over by doing their pledges. There's no point blaming Farage when he isn't in power - they're letting him live rent-free in their heads, which is doing them no favours.

The public wants to see progress. Blaming Reform isn't progress - its petty. Be bigger. Be better. Do what you said you were going to do and then maybe you'll win people over.
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The daft thing is they have time and (I think) the vaguely serious people who could do this, if they stop chasing McSweeney's poll numbers.

Ed Miliband has also suggested they might need to get off X both as consumers an publishers, as that skews perception (which, of course, is exactly what Musk wants it to do).
 
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midlandsgrimpeur

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pubrunner said:
Exactly this ^^^ (IMHO).

Labour need to really grow up and win the people over by doing their pledges. There's no point blaming Farage when he isn't in power - they're letting him live rent-free in their heads, which is doing them no favours.

The public wants to see progress. Blaming Reform isn't progress - its petty. Be bigger. Be better. Do what you said you were going to do and then maybe you'll win people over.
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I certainly agree that Labour are best served by delivering their pledges and hopefully materially benefitting people's lives.

The Farage part is tricky. If you don't mention him then the risk is he becomes the proverbial 'elephant in the room' and he gains more traction as people think they are afraid to mention him.

On the flip side, if they start to deliver and ignore him then hopefully his influence diminishes and Reform start to become less attractive to voters.
 
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midlandsgrimpeur

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briantrumpet said:
The daft thing is they have time and (I think) the vaguely serious people who could do this, if they stop chasing McSweeney's poll numbers.

Ed Miliband has also suggested they might need to get off X both as consumers an publishers, as that skews perception (which, of course, is exactly what Musk wants it to do).
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Don't think there is any doubt all govt depts and MP's should come off X they should have abandoned it as soon as Musk showed his love of the far right.
 
CXRAndy

CXRAndy

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Union members prefer Reform

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CXRAndy

CXRAndy

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Labour has lost the 2nd'3rd generation immigrants to Reform

As well as the youth vote


View: https://x.com/NotFarLeftAtAll/status/1973312946211266994?t=24YA3hK4H5SBl6_GotSQcA&s=19
 
CXRAndy

CXRAndy

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Classic opening question 👏

Susanna Reid,

"I don't want to take the wind out of your sails prime minister, but why do you think you're so unpopular?"
 
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