Starmer's vision quest

[CXRAndy]

View: https://x.com/HoodedClaw1974/status/1972738023185097029?t=UrbsdIlIBPGXVjp-ZJteJA&s=19


Bet these sell well

 

[AuroraSaab]

I don’t think its allowed in the Labour party?
He needs to resign as Mayor then get selected for a by-election, then get elected, get nominated in a leadership battle, and then win that.

Burnham is ambitious but he won't resign as mayor until he is assured of a safe seat. Every move he makes is calculated and costed. He'll do and say whatever he thinks will get him what he wants but he won't risk being jobless and without influence.

If Labour's Gorton MP had been standing down as rumoured Burnham would have been in there like a shot I'm sure. Not sure there are any other prospective openings.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/andrew-gwynne-will-not-stand-down-mp-andy-burnham-5HjdDJD_2/

 

[CXRAndy]

 

[CXRAndy]

Hitler youth, what a dickhead


View: https://x.com/Mike_Fabricant/status/1973051663163220336?t=LPcdl-LGjqVyG526vAgehw&s=19

 

[CXRAndy]

What a dumb fooker


View: https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1973066815115788770?t=mqnIphVAbO9CKkHc2F9jog&s=19

 

[CXRAndy]

👏


View: https://x.com/NotFarLeftAtAll/status/1972964989322555658?t=FhAAv458NHao9OxxFSPs1Q&s=19

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

I am starting to get an inkling that Starmer is not a people person.

I do think someone like Burnham is a bit populist himself, with a dash of Trussononics, but he has more charisma than a Weetabix, which is sadly where I rate Starmer's.

Of the loonatic xenophobes or Burnham, I would probably prefer the latter.

Burnham certainly on the surface seems okay, he came and spent an afternoon on a project I was leading when he was Culture Sec. He is certainly a personable bloke and seems to have a genuine interest in people. He was only supposed to spend a couple of hours with us but overstayed by some time, much to the annoyance of his advisors!

 

[BoldonLad]

This is a long read but worth it and echoes what I said up thread, that the greater likelihood for Labour is losing voters to Libs/Green and not Reform. I understand the labour to reform argument and it does make sense, but I am not actually convinced it will pan out that way. I think Tory to Reform is far more likely amongst potential voters.

https://benansell.substack.com/p/british-politics-midlife-crisis

Obviously Keir, and/or whoever is advising him, has not read it 😂

 

[Ian H]

This is a long read but worth it and echoes what I said up thread, that the greater likelihood for Labour is losing voters to Libs/Green and not Reform. I understand the labour to reform argument and it does make sense, but I am not actually convinced it will pan out that way. I think Tory to Reform is far more likely amongst potential voters.

https://benansell.substack.com/p/british-politics-midlife-crisis

There was a graph in the Economist - I may even have posted it here somewhere - which showed that few Labour voters moved to Reform. A fair number of Tories did so (and quite a number stayed at home), but the biggest chunk of Reform voters were previously non-voters.

 

[briantrumpet]

This doesn't sound consistent with Mahmood's ILR statement at all. It'll be interesting to see, if he sticks to this forthright tone, how they can reconcile the two conflicting messages they are conveying as a party.

 

[pubrunner]

A cringe-tastic show of patriotism at the Labour Party Conference - will this win over Reform voters ?

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

This doesn't sound consistent with Mahmood's ILR statement at all. It'll be interesting to see, if he sticks to this forthright tone, how they can reconcile the two conflicting messages they are conveying as a party.

View attachment 10273

I am hoping it marks a break with the Reform chasing but am doubtful. He did the piece in The Sun then followed it with the backpedalling Telegraph article. It does seem that perhaps they have changed tack to "let's tell the left what they want to hear and hope the right don't notice and vice versa".

 

[briantrumpet]

I am hoping it marks a break with the Reform chasing but am doubtful. He did the piece in The Sun then followed it with the backpedalling Telegraph article. It does seem that perhaps they have changed tack to "let's tell the left what they want to hear and hope the right don't notice and vice versa".

Time will tell. Maybe the reception he got in the hall and from commentators will persuade him to realise that lots of people want to galvanise around pushing back the hatred spread by Farage rather than echoing his talking points.

 

[pubrunner]

Time will tell. Maybe the reception he got in the hall and from commentators will persuade him to realise that lots of people want to galvanise around pushing back the hatred spread by Farage rather than echoing his talking points.

IMHO Labour should not mention the F word at all.

Crack on with your big ideas and if, in 4 years time, you are making a decent job of it, people will give you the benefit of the doubt and possibly let you carry on. Results are the only thing that will damage Reform.

 

[briantrumpet]

IMHO Labour should not mention the F word at all.

Crack on with your big ideas and if, in 4 years time, you are making a decent job of it, people will give you the benefit of the doubt and possibly let you carry on. Results are the only thing that will damage Reform.

Quite so. Sell a positive vision of what you believe in. Get the machinery of government working properly (such as processing migrants efficiently) etc. If they get the machinery right, they can point to their record in a couple of years.

Even I would say they have to tread carefully with how they improve trading with the EU, but a start would be "In the light of the difficult financial position we find ourselves in, it's apparent we could reduce tax rises markedly by improving our trading arrangements with the EU...." and quietly letting the red lines get firstly blurred, and then... well, the future's a long way away. At least now they've got an excuse for pragmatism, and politically they just still have time to blame it on the wreckers of the previous administration.