Starmer's vision quest

[First Aspect]

The whole point is that they pay tax and reduce the cost of feeding and housing people waiting for claims to be processed. Most, if not all, asylum seekers want to work. If they are paying tax you know exactly where they are. I would presume that they would accrue benefits.

https://migration.greenparty.org.uk/right-to-work-for-people-seeking-asylum/

Yeah obviously. But you've not answer the basic questions I asked. Neither does that website. What I'm driving at is the UK is very porous and we don't have the associated systems in place I don't think to monitor that many people on e they disperse into the community and start their lives.

Not against, just asking whether, for example, the Greens are in favour if ID cards, or what alternative they propose and how this would be paid for.

 

[Pross]

This also reflects the general view of most posters who think it is easily solvable with faster processing, offshore processing and big love.

It's actually not simple.

I don't think anyone thinks it's simple but those are issues that have certainly made the situation worse today than it was when we had those processes in place. It's far easier to make a moral case for deporting people arriving in the UK through unofficial means if you are providing them with a legitimate way of applying for permission before they arrive. It also makes it far less appealing to hand over every bit of money you have to criminals to get you into the UK if you can make a claim through official channels and enter through a safe, standard route. It just doesn't play well with those who simply don't want people from other countries to live here.

 

[PurplePenguin]

Offering the right to work might help the finances, but won't reduce the numbers. The option to work illegally is still one of the appeals of the UK.

 

[First Aspect]

I can only repeat what I said, if someone's status is currently that of a refugee, it is highly likely that when they apply for indefinite leave to remain, they would be subject to rules in force at that point in time. Therefore, it would have an immediate impact on those with refugee status. Whether or not being eligible for ILR has much impact on them is another matter.

Someone applying for asylum now isn't eligible for 5 years.

 

[PurplePenguin]

Someone applying for asylum now isn't eligible for 5 years.

Someone who has refugee status and has been here for 4.5 years will be eligible in 6 months if legislation doesn't change as I said originally.

 

[First Aspect]

Someone who has refugee status and has been here for 4.5 years will be eligible in 6 months if legislation doesn't change as I said originally.

I understand the point. In your scenario it will depend whether the right to apply for indefinite leave to remain is legally associated with the asylum status granted in 2020 or not. Neither of us know, or at least I don't. I doubt anyone has thought it through just yet.

 

[First Aspect]

Also only bites of the country they came from changes status to "safe". I assume that's safe for that individual rather than "safe" per se, but who knows.

 

[PurplePenguin]

I understand the point. In your scenario it will depend whether the right to apply for indefinite leave to remain is legally associated with the asylum status granted in 2020 or not. Neither of us know, or at least I don't. I doubt anyone has thought it through just yet.

When the government stopped student years counting towards ILR, they didn't allow everyone who was a student at the time to have an exemption, so I would expect similar here. A student/refugee visa is not an agreement for ILR at a later date.

 

[BoldonLad]

In simple terms, it is a complicated problem without an easy solution. A meaningful solution will take years.
Anyone thinking that Reform will solve the problem is a deluded fool.

IMHO, anyone thinking Reform will solve ANYTHING is a deluded fool, but, that does not ease the unrest with the situation, as is.

 

[First Aspect]

When the government stopped student years counting towards ILR, they didn't allow everyone who was a student at the time to have an exemption, so I would expect similar here. A student/refugee visa is not an agreement for ILR at a later date.

https://righttoremain.org.uk/unders...rnment has announced,for ILR after five years.

This is all I can find. Its another "uncertain".

 

[PurplePenguin]

https://righttoremain.org.uk/understanding-the-proposed-10-year-path-to-indefinite-leave-to-remain/#:~:text=The UK Government has announced,for ILR after five years.

This is all I can find. Its another "uncertain".

For now:

• If you already have ILR: your status is not affected.
• If you have applied for ILR: your application should be decided under current rules.
• If you are eligible soon: consider applying before any changes take effect.
• If you are on a route to ILR: continue renewing your leave on time and keep records of work, studies, or community activities in case they are needed later.

 

[First Aspect]

From the article (it was written last month, 5 minutes after Mahmood became home secretary, and 5 minutes before she'd decided to get tough on immigration and the causes of immigration):

Key questions that are still unclear about the proposal

Will this new proposed 10-year period apply to people already in the UK under the five-year route? Or will the proposal only apply to new arrivals or new ILR applications after an implementation date? Will there be transition arrangements for people in the process of applying for ILR when the proposal starts to be implemented?

 

[Ian H]

He's not the first to suggest this. But it's not a stand alone policy is it. How do you keep track of people who may or may not be granted asylum, who have dispersed into the workforce?

Would they pay tax? How would they pay tax? Would they get NINs? And if they pay tax do they acrue benefits?

What's the genius Polanski's policy on the actual practicalities?

No sensible opposition gives that kind of hostage to fortune.

 

[Pblakeney]

Would they pay tax? How would they pay tax? Would they get NINs? And if they pay tax do they acrue benefits?

If you read the crap on this subject on socials then they already receive full benefits, and more.
That's why it is such a hot topic, people are reading crap and getting outraged.

 

[BoldonLad]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c2059g6757qt it may well go the way of Welfare Reform, yet 😂