Starmer's vision quest

[Psamathe]

It still remains in the UK's gift to provide the visas in the first place, so if there are too many asylum claims from one country, they can restrict the student visas for that country.

I'm sure Starmer has already been on the phone to Farāge asking permission to add that bit to policy.

 

[CXRAndy]

Previous estimates of people leaving the UK were wildly inaccurate and under estimated.

Since 2021 it was estimated 340k people left, it was actually 1 million British citizens left the UK.

250k left in the last year alone, far more than the estimated 77k.

 

[AndyRM]

People will use that stat as some kind of warped evidence that the UK is terrible, but the reality is that the ONS is updating the way they record migration statistics.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...ationstatisticsupdatingourmethodsandestimates

So which is it though? The UK is awful and people are fleeing, or it's such an attractive place to live that it's being flooded by immigrants? It can't be both!

 

[Shortfall]

People will use that stat as some kind of warped evidence that the UK is terrible, but the reality is that the ONS is updating the way they record migration statistics.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...ationstatisticsupdatingourmethodsandestimates

So which is it though? The UK is awful and people are fleeing, or it's such an attractive place to live that it's being flooded by immigrants? It can't be both!

Why not? People with the sort of jobs and financial means that allow them to avoid penal taxation and the (mis) managed decline of the UK are probably leaving in droves. That doesn't mean it's not still an attractive proposition for economic migrants and asylum seekers from poorer parts of the world to move here.

 

[AndyRM]

Why not? People with the sort of jobs and financial means that allow them to avoid penal taxation and the (mis) managed decline of the UK are probably leaving in droves. That doesn't mean it's not still an attractive proposition for economic migrants and asylum seekers from poorer parts of the world to move here.

Oh, you mean the people who can afford to help out a little but get all mad about tax and do their best to avoid it, then moan about Britain being broken whilst living abroad in a tax haven, or contemplating doing so?

Those people?

To be clear I have no problem with people earning a lot of money, but the when it gets to the point of avarice and hypocrisy I get annoyed.

 

[Shortfall]

Oh, you mean the people who can afford to help out a little but get all mad about tax and do their best to avoid it, then moan about Britain being broken whilst living abroad in a tax haven, or contemplating doing so?

Those people?

To be clear I have no problem with people earning a lot of money, but the when it gets to the point of avarice and hypocrisy I get annoyed.

Call them what you want. People on the left have been saying it for a long time that either "the rich" won't leave or if they do that we won't miss them. I think we're about to test that idea to destruction.

 

[AndyRM]

Call them what you want. People on the left have been saying it for a long time that either "the rich" won't leave or if they do that we won't miss them. I think we're about to test that idea to destruction.

I didn't call them anything, and I didn't bring wings into it either, mostly because I don't have much time for Paul McCartney.

What do you mean by testing an idea to destruction?

 

[icowden]

Call them what you want. People on the left have been saying it for a long time that either "the rich" won't leave or if they do that we won't miss them. I think we're about to test that idea to destruction.

And people on the right have been saying for a long time that the "rich" will leave in droves. It's proven to be palpable bollocks.

 

[Shortfall]

I didn't call them anything, and I didn't bring wings into it either, mostly because I don't have much time for Paul McCartney.

What do you mean by testing an idea to destruction?

I brought the left into it because it's a trope you often see on forums like this or on X where people aligned with left wing politics will sneer at the idea that people with mobile capital will quit the UK if taxes to go high. Testing the idea to destruction means that when they do go and the country loses all the tax they would've paid then they'll realise too late that it wasn't a good idea and the UK will be even more fücked than it already is.

 

[briantrumpet]

palpable bollocks.

Happy to report that my bollocks are palpable. I just checked.

 

[CXRAndy]

The migration of UK citizens has already happened, maybe not internationally, English is a minority language in London

 

[AndyRM]

"English is a minority language in London"

Wow. It isn't.

 

[AndyRM]

I brought the left into it because it's a trope you often see on forums like this or on X where people aligned with left wing politics will sneer at the idea that people with mobile capital will quit the UK if taxes to go high. Testing the idea to destruction means that when they do go and the country loses all the tax they would've paid then they'll realise too late that it wasn't a good idea and the UK will be even more fücked than it already is.

The UK isn't f*cked though, no matter how hard you'd like it to be.

How can you lose out on theoretical tax?

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Call them what you want. People on the left have been saying it for a long time that either "the rich" won't leave or if they do that we won't miss them. I think we're about to test that idea to destruction.

Do we know it's the rich that have left? Or that they have left due to taxation?
Do you have a breakdown of the numbers and reasons? Or have you just been reading the Telegraph again.

 

[C R]

The UK isn't f*cked though, no matter how hard you'd like it to be.

How can you lose out on theoretical tax?

And if it were, it wasn't immigrants or refugees that fücked it.