Starmer's vision quest

[The Crofted Crest]

Lamenting the demise of Jeremy Corbyn,

Stalin Starmer


View: https://x.com/JamesMelville/status/1902613024311062867?t=AwIg3EpQWAfu6OLygASy8w&s=19

Didn't @theclaud post that some time ago? But with sincerity.

 

[CXRAndy]

It's your vote he values most and desperately wants to get, Champ.

And that is absolutely not a joke.

I know, they are all making bold statements.

 

[CXRAndy]

Didn't @theclaud post that some time ago? But with sincerity.

🤷‍♂️

 

[CXRAndy]

View: https://x.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1902651132456948205?t=ReEkj8ojcXAVbQkGCsQdiQ&s=19

 

[Ian H]

erm ... I did! It was about a billion Euros. The money didn't go to the DUP but was spent in NI in the public domain. Well at least that is what we have been led to believe.

I wouldn't trust any Paisleyite to spend money equitably.

 

[Xipe Totec]

I know, they are all making bold statements.

Genuine question - could you ever be persuaded to vote for them?

 

[C R]

Thanks. And equally respectfully I have to point out that finding one example of where the system produced an expected result does not undo the times when it does not. It's not quite the counter-argument perhaps that you thought.

To call Corbyn a failure for getting 40% of the vote, and Starmer a winner for getting 33% make little sense. For Starmer that 33% did not even amount to a narrow victory. As @icowden highlights, a system of PR produces a much different outlook. Only a tiny number of countries use FPTP for this reason - I forget which without googling, but the others are something like Iran and Belarus.

As I said in my analysis, Johnson only won (by a supposed landslide) because at the last moment Farage stood his candidates down. It was pivotal in the outcome. Taking this into account May's vote share was better than Johnson's. Johnson of course bathed himself in Kudos.

Point of order. The system for electing MPs in Iran looks like FPTP, but ends up being like proportional representation. It is actually quite a reasonable system, if people were allowed to enter the candidate pool freely.

The way I understand it, it works like this. Each electoral district has a number of seats to fill, so in your ballot you choose the candidates you like, up to the number of seats. Then you count the votes for each candidate and the top n voted candidates fill in the n available seats.

 

[CXRAndy]

Genuine question - could you ever be persuaded to vote for them?

I see some ideas as good from old labour. Having watched a whole series of clips from several years ago and what labour have actually done on power now, it really switches me off to any party.

You can't trust any of them

 

[Ian H]

Didn't @theclaud post that some time ago? But with sincerity.

 

[Xipe Totec]

I see some ideas as good from old labour. Having watched a whole series of clips from several years ago and what labour have actually done on power now, it really switches me off to any party.

You can't trust any of them

Fair enough - I spent a lot of years not exercising my democratic right because I was disillusioned with politics/politicians.

 

[AndyRM]

Genuine question - could you ever be persuaded to vote for them?

He doesn't vote.

 

[BoldonLad]

I wouldn't trust any Paisleyite to spend money equitably.

I think the bolded bit would suffice, the rest is superfluous, IMHO

 

[CXRAndy]

He doesn't vote.

That doesn't mean I won't ever. I will need a very convincing party

 

[C R]

Starmer's labour proving to be the best recruiter for Farage.


View: https://youtu.be/mONAvUs_AyA?si=CBAN9rX3YaG11UPE

 

[Psamathe]

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Starmer's labour proving to be the best recruiter for Farage.


View: https://youtu.be/mONAvUs_AyA?si=CBAN9rX3YaG11UPE

I saw that report on C4 News and for me the trouble is it's such a small sample size. They seemed to be creating different groups based on who the voted for so not even random. Bit like stopping "random" people in the street then selecting which ones are broadcast to ensure a "balance".

Ian