Starmer's vision quest
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icowden
Squire
Yesterday's result which were for elections held in a fraction of the country and in which Reform won a fraction of the vote.
Have you considered buying a dictionary? What the "majority" think is that they did not want a Conservative Government. That was the last majority opinion. Because the majority voted. D'you see?
CXRAndy
Guru
This would be fantastic, then we could have Angie or Lammykins
View: https://x.com/JimFergusonUK/status/1918571979289838060?t=MuX_kp_7IbBQU_kNOiNzBg&s=19
View: https://x.com/JimFergusonUK/status/1918571979289838060?t=MuX_kp_7IbBQU_kNOiNzBg&s=19
CXRAndy
Guru
This isn't just a USA phenomenon
View: https://x.com/iAnonPatriot/status/1918683675765395723?t=FrBS4DctaUF3DRuMJKHzcA&s=19
View: https://x.com/iAnonPatriot/status/1918683675765395723?t=FrBS4DctaUF3DRuMJKHzcA&s=19
Stevo 666
Well-Known Member
bobzmyunkle
Über Member
Well according to the Telegraph Keith might have slightly more up his sleeve than we give him credit for (about as plausible as rumours of his shenanigans with Lord Alli being true)
Starmer’s plan to use European summit in London to reverse Brexit
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/05/04/all-the-ways-labour-is-rejoining-the-eu-by-stealth/
briantrumpet
Senior Member
We can but hope, though I suspect it'll be fiddling at the edges. This is the Telegraph preparing the 'betrayal of Brexit freedoms' narrative, even if Starmer just makes it easier to import quails' eggs.
bobzmyunkle
Über Member
Yes but that would be step in the right direction, they have been somewhat difficult to obtain recently old chap.
Stevo 666
Well-Known Member
Don't get your hopes up, folks - it will most likely be fiddling around the edges, regardless of what stirring is going on in the press. Starmer isn't the sharpest political operator but he very likely knows that this and immigration are the issues that will drive even more support away from Labour and to Reform.
I agree and the daft thing is his "growth at any cost" is currently going nowhere yet significant changes to our relationship with the EU is one way to start achieving his economic turnaround. That he likely won't go there highlights his politics before needs of the country.
Ian
icowden
Squire
I think you are confusing "knows" with "thinks". You might be surprised by how much support he would get for rejoining the EU and solving the asylum issue by getting the paperwork processed.
Rusty Nails
Country Member
From a January YouGov poll:
On 31 January 2020, Britain officially left the European Union, putting into action the 52% to 48% vote to ‘Leave’ the EU at the 2016 referendum. Now, five years on, how do Britons feel that Brexit has gone and what do they want our future relationship with Europe to look like?
Just three in ten Britons (30%) now say that it was right for the UK to vote to leave the EU, compared to 55% who say it was wrong for the country to vote for Brexit in 2016. This is the lowest proportion of the public saying that Britain was right to vote to leave since YouGov began asking this question in the aftermath of the referendum.
From Google AI overview:
Brexit has not reduced illegal immigration; in fact, it has led to an increase in overall migration, including from non-EU countries, and has also increased the number of people arriving via small boats. While there was a decrease in EU migration after Brexit, this was more than offset by a rise in non-EU migration.
Elaboration:
Increased Overall Migration:
Net migration (immigrants minus emigrants) reached record levels after Brexit, surpassing even pre-Brexit levels.
EU Migration Decline:
Migration from EU countries decreased after Brexit, but this was primarily due to the end of free movement and the implementation of new visa restrictions.
Non-EU Migration Increase:
Migration from non-EU countries increased significantly, more than offsetting the decline from the EU.
Small Boat Arrivals:
The number of people arriving in the UK via small boats has also increased, though there have been some decreases in specific years due to factors like cooperation agreements with other countries.
Government Actions:
The government has attributed some of the recent trends to the Illegal Migration Act, which restricts the ability of those arriving without authorization to obtain legal status.
Focus on Enforced Returns:
The government has also emphasized increased enforced returns of illegal migrants, removing a higher number of foreign criminals in recent years.
Now that people have had their eyes opened about the real effects of Brexit, not the BS given by politicians on both sides, I am not sure it is the electoral issue it was some years ago.
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briantrumpet
Senior Member
Another Labour MP who's burnishing his Reform credentials. It's curious that Starmer has been so successful in extinguishing the Corbynite faction, but is letting the Reformist faction step so far right without consequence (so far).
