Starmer's vision quest

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briantrumpet

Veteran
I think it’s like Austin Powers where he has been cryogenically frozen since at least 2016 and has woken up thinking the Conservatives are still a serious and viable political Party and is unaware that they become an absolute shambles that make Starmer look like Churchill.

It would be too painful to admit for someone who I'm not aware has ever admitted being wrong, at least in his online persona.

That said, it's problematic for someone who is so rabidly anti left wing that the only two right wing parties are both populist shambles, and that the Tories can't even find someone with Farage's skill for selling right-wing populism to lead them. (The only one who might have had the 'charisma', Boris Johnson, had the misfortune of actually being Prime Minister and completely screwing up everything he had to do.)
 

icowden

Shaman
Hardly ideal, but if I were forced to make a choice between the two...GTFLO*

* (Get the lefties out)

Well now I'm confused. You don't get many more fruitcakes and nutjobs than in Reform and the Conservative Party...
 

CXRAndy

Legendary Member
People believe they're abandoned, nothing to lose.

They will vote to kick out Labour and Tory, bring the whole corrupt establishment down.
 

Stevo 666

Über Member
I think it’s like Austin Powers where he has been cryogenically frozen since at least 2016 and has woken up thinking the Conservatives are still a serious and viable political Party and is unaware that they become an absolute shambles that make Starmer look like Churchill.

Got any decent alternatives that you'd support? Plaid Cymru? 🙂
 

Pblakeney

Über Member
Nice* to see that everyone is finally coming round to my way of thing that this country is fücked due to short sighted greedy self centred career politicians at all levels, and all parties.

*Nice as in being correct. It is certainly not what I wish for.
 

BoldonLad

Old man on a bike. Not a member of a clique.
Location
South Tyneside
Nice* to see that everyone is finally coming round to my way of thing that this country is fücked due to short sighted greedy self centred career politicians at all levels, and all parties.

*Nice as in being correct. It is certainly not what I wish for.

I do admire your optimism 😂
 

monkers

Shaman

Nice* to see that everyone is finally coming round to my way of thing that this country is fücked due to short sighted greedy self centred career politicians at all levels, and all parties.

*Nice as in being correct. It is certainly not what I wish for.

That certainly limits your choices. On the assumption that you stay in the country, you can simply ignore the system and not vote. The alternatives are to vote for the least worst of the two or maybe three parties in the main battle, or vote for the least worst party of any you can vote for in your area. Otherwise you can join and engage with a genuinely grassroots party where you can help shape policy. One final option is to stand as an independent, which although too seldom results in success, nonetheless gives you a platform to make some noise.

I'm not sure that I fully subscribe to your insight about politicians, and there are a few decent ones left (probably). The problem we have is that most find themselves voting reluctantly with the whip - risk losing the whip, or are otherwise sock puppets of the ''ownership'' group of domestic multi-millionires / billionaires, or as often the case now, overseas investors here to rape the system - a system built to suit their demands.
 
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Stevo 666

Über Member
Nice* to see that everyone is finally coming round to my way of thing that this country is fücked due to short sighted greedy self centred career politicians at all levels, and all parties.

*Nice as in being correct. It is certainly not what I wish for.

They will.always be like that. So sounds like you are saying that we need less politicians, less government, ie. smaller state.
 
That said, it's problematic for someone who is so rabidly anti left wing that the only two right wing parties are both populist shambles, and that the Tories can't even find someone with Farage's skill for selling right-wing populism to lead them. (The only one who might have had the 'charisma', Boris Johnson, had the misfortune of actually being Prime Minister and completely screwing up everything he had to do.)

I have said it before, and I shall continue to repeat myself, the absolute downfall of the Tories was Brexit (oh the irony of a Referendum decision taken to unite the party!). It was the Johnson (or rather Cummings) decision to purge the party of sensible centre right MP's like Grieve, Gauke, Stewart etc. that created the vacuum to be eventually filled with the astonishingly stupid and vacuous likes of Badenoch, Philp, Jenrick and so on. Each of whom seem to have decided that the populist route is the only viable path for the so called Tory party in its current form.

In my personal opinion, Tory voters who actually do not fully believe in this stuff but continue to support the party just purely to oppose the left, whilst seeking no sensible change from within their party, are just as culpable as the politicians they support.
 

Pross

Active Member
Got any decent alternatives that you'd support? Plaid Cymru? 🙂

I'd like to see the Lib Dems given at least as much air time as Reform as a starter with them being the third largest Party with 68 more MPs than Reform. Even Plaid have as many MPs as Reform despite only standing in a fraction of the number of constituencies. However, on balance, if there was a GE tomorrow and the choice was Tory, Reform and Labour I would have to vote Labour again as even though they've been disappointingly ineffective and scared of their own shadow (despite a huge majority) they are still a far better / less dangerous option than the others. As I've said many times, I wish they'd govern like a Party with a large majority and 4 years left in charge rather than sh***ing themselves about what might happen at the next GE.
 
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