Starmer's vision quest
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icowden
Shaman
Not really. Owen Jones is an annoying idiot who fails to do his research. It's nothing to do with freedom of speech and everything to do with his failure as a "journalist".
CXRAndy
Squire
When you hear the numbers, you just start laughing 
View: https://x.com/LBC/status/1973668382592368787?t=jdOlgugZKn0ki-pY7Yo4ZA&s=19
Meanwhile several thousands more arrive by dinghies
View: https://x.com/LBC/status/1973668382592368787?t=jdOlgugZKn0ki-pY7Yo4ZA&s=19
Meanwhile several thousands more arrive by dinghies
icowden
Shaman
Not really. You have to read all of the details.
Yes, Labour isn't doing well, but Reform isn't winning anyone except the Conservatives and people who didn't vote but promise to vote this time. Do you really think that they will?
That said, Reform at this stage would win easily as the Tories are just running around in their pants, smearing excrement on the wall and Labour is trying an experiment whereby they don't do anything that their supporters want. It's a very avant-garde tactic, but someone really does need to tell them it isn't working.
There are small oases of promise - Milliband is doing a blinder on energy, and Labour are slowly undoing some of the Brexit damage but rather than going round shouting that they have fixed things, it's more like they are doing repairs while burgling a house. Mustn't get caught out doing good things...
If you stand for change and then do more of the same but with softer edges, your goose is cooked.
Meanwhile Farage stands for change and is sticking to the tried and tested Trumpian principle of promising whatever he wants without actually having to demonstrate that it's possible or stick to any promises made. It turns out that lying is the best way to power. If Labour had any sense they would be legislating to prevent that. They have control of the legislature. They could introduce PR, they could make laws that make key manifesto promises binding. They could do all sorts.
They just aren't.
briantrumpet
Guru
And Starmer's back to making Reformy noises this morning, after the standing ovation for pushing back against it, FFS.
midlandsgrimpeur
Active Member
I did say this up thread, he makes headway and then rows it back a day or two later. I can only surmise they are trying to play both sides, which always ends well!
midlandsgrimpeur
Active Member
It is an everyday occurrence, and endless torrent as if a sewage plant had just exploded.
laurentian
Member
What a miserable bunch of women on labours side
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Pink Ladies seem quite happy
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Singing Chaz n Dave- Rabbit
View: https://x.com/NotFarLeftAtAll/status/1973408259496112233?t=m8dEPfwogbmBUoJxxRjB1Q&s=19
They're having a good time
View: https://x.com/TheGriftReport/status/1973379392685375725?t=liJrUjMPkbm35cp6J436bA&s=19
Opposing the far right does not put one on "Labour's Side" FFS . . . it's what hundreds of thousands of people of varying political persuasions died for in WW2
briantrumpet
Guru
I suspect that Glasman wanted him to atone for his sins in calling out Reform's inherent racism.
briantrumpet
Guru
Filling our timelines with his spammy diarrhoea, and for some reason people think he'll see sense if they keep on replying. Instead it just puts more fuel into his digestive system. On so on it goes...
Psamathe
Veteran
I think Party Conferences and what is said at them are a complete waste of time. They are stage managed events where many have a script for public (press) consumption. Standing ovations are expected and probably scheduled (eg it generally seems to the the Ministerial seating that starts the standing pushing MPs and then membership to follow suit).
More of an exercise in avoidance of failure as I think most of the electorate have long forgotten that Labour had a Party conference ending just a day(?) ago.
All the Party conferences are just a few irrelevant announcements that could have been made at any time and got more attention as then they wouldn't be competing with other announcements and reporters trying to find those not towing the party line.
How many even remember Reform's Party Conference - it was just more of Farage with the same daft announcements and plenty more of those since that event ended.
briantrumpet
Guru
Dorset Boy
Regular
@icowden
"Milliband is doing a blinder on energy, "
Not sure many would agree with that statement given electricity and gas prices haven't fallen and are pretty much the highest in europe.
You also regularly fail to explain Labour's slump of the voter share in opinion polls - from I believe 33.7% of the vote at the GE to 18% now, almost a drop of 16% of the vote(r intention), or potentially an almost halving of their vote.
"Milliband is doing a blinder on energy, "
Not sure many would agree with that statement given electricity and gas prices haven't fallen and are pretty much the highest in europe.
You also regularly fail to explain Labour's slump of the voter share in opinion polls - from I believe 33.7% of the vote at the GE to 18% now, almost a drop of 16% of the vote(r intention), or potentially an almost halving of their vote.
