Starmer's vision quest

[The Crofted Crest]

Dunno. They do have their moments.

Compare and contrast

 

[icowden]

Not sure many would agree with that statement given electricity and gas prices haven't fallen and are pretty much the highest in europe.

It takes time to built renewables. He is doing his best (as far as I can see) to get far more renewables built. He even seems to have made some progress with nuclear. He is also hopefully going to stop subsidising Drax. Energy prices are not the be all and end all.

You also regularly fail to explain Labour's slump of the voter share in opinion polls - from I believe 33.7% of the vote at the GE to 18% now, almost a drop of 16% of the vote(r intention), or potentially an almost halving of their vote.

I think I explain it pretty well. Labour voters think Starmer is being a dickhead. They want to see Labour policy moves - which is sort of the point of a Labour Government. Things like improving welfare, spending more on education, renationalising the water companies, taxing big business etc So yes, no wonder the voting intention has dropped.

 

[CXRAndy]

Reform isn't winning anyone except the Conservatives

Reform are winning over large numbers

Sharon Graham, General Secretary of Unite the Union,
Said

You’ll probably find that 60% - 70% of Unite/ Unison members are Reform Voters

That won't be the only trade unions Reform are gathering support

 

[CXRAndy]

Labour voters think Starmer is being a dickhead. They want to see Labour policy moves - which is sort of the point of a Labour Government. Things like improving welfare, spending more on education, renationalising the water companies, taxing big business etc So yes, no wonder the voting intention has dropped

Not just labour voters.

You're way behind the opinions.

Immigration is number one concern, has been for a very long time.

The other stuff doesn't get a look in. Cost of living which is crippling for many. Energy is up, food is up.

 

[BoldonLad]

And they've manged that in 15 months, whereas the Tories took nearly 15 years...wonder how low Labour can go before it all goes t1its up?

Always knew that Labour were the best, they can beat those Tories at almost everything 😂

 

[BoldonLad]

Not really. You have to read all of the details.

Yes, Labour isn't doing well, but Reform isn't winning anyone except the Conservatives and people who didn't vote but promise to vote this time. Do you really think that they will?

That said, Reform at this stage would win easily as the Tories are just running around in their pants, smearing excrement on the wall and Labour is trying an experiment whereby they don't do anything that their supporters want. It's a very avant-garde tactic, but someone really does need to tell them it isn't working.

There are small oases of promise - Milliband is doing a blinder on energy, and Labour are slowly undoing some of the Brexit damage but rather than going round shouting that they have fixed things, it's more like they are doing repairs while burgling a house. Mustn't get caught out doing good things...

If you stand for change and then do more of the same but with softer edges, your goose is cooked.

Meanwhile Farage stands for change and is sticking to the tried and tested Trumpian principle of promising whatever he wants without actually having to demonstrate that it's possible or stick to any promises made. It turns out that lying is the best way to power. If Labour had any sense they would be legislating to prevent that. They have control of the legislature. They could introduce PR, they could make laws that make key manifesto promises binding. They could do all sorts.

They just aren't.

I think you need to venture North of Watford one day. 😊

Please, do not suggest this is a Trump technique, the Lib-dens have been using it for 50+ years

 

[BoldonLad]

I think Party Conferences and what is said at them are a complete waste of time. They are stage managed events where many have a script for public (press) consumption. Standing ovations are expected and probably scheduled (eg it generally seems to the the Ministerial seating that starts the standing pushing MPs and then membership to follow suit).

More of an exercise in avoidance of failure as I think most of the electorate have long forgotten that Labour had a Party conference ending just a day(?) ago.

All the Party conferences are just a few irrelevant announcements that could have been made at any time and got more attention as then they wouldn't be competing with other announcements and reporters trying to find those not towing the party line.

How many even remember Reform's Party Conference - it was just more of Farage with the same daft announcements and plenty more of those since that event ended.

I would hazard a guess that you are wrong, I doubt that most of the electorate even knew Labour (or any other party) were having a Party Conference, therefore, they could not forget what they never knew. 😊

 

[Psamathe]

... Labour voters think Starmer is being a dickhead. They want to see Labour policy moves - which is sort of the point of a Labour Government. Things like improving welfare, spending more on education, renationalising the water companies, taxing big business etc So yes, no wonder the voting intention has dropped.

I agree. My gut feel (opinion) is that people who support a party tend to stick with that party and only move when that party is failing to meet their expectations in a significant way. ie I think most people don't change on marginal "Think <Party X> is a bit stronger on <policy y> so switching my vote". Has to be a significant "not what I'm looking for".

Starmer's Labour seem to just think "People voted for change" - they didn't, they voted for "improvement" (and voting Labour sought improvement along Labour lines). Change for the worse was not what anybody voted for. Just as nobody is interested in "Difficult decisions", what the country needs is "Good decisions" (something we seem short of in Westminster).

 

[CXRAndy]

I think most of the electorate have long forgotten that Labour had a Party conference ending just a day(?) ago.

I think you will find it was the Reform tribute conference- after all that's all the labour speakers talked about

 

[Pblakeney]

Just as nobody is interested in "Difficult decisions", what the country needs is "Good decisions" (something we seem short of in Westminster).

While I agree I also think that the "good decisions" and the "difficult decisions" are one and the same.

 

[Stevo 666]

Always knew that Labour were the best, they can beat those Tories at almost everything 😂

Yep, if there's a farkitup Olympics, we know who we want to be representing the country

 

[icowden]

Please, do not suggest this is a Trump technique, the Lib-dens have been using it for 50+ years

They really haven't. Clegg made a massive mistake when in coalition.
Farage is prepared to say literally anything.

 

[Pross]

They really haven't. Clegg made a massive mistake when in coalition.
Farage is prepared to say literally anything.

One ‘mistake’ that was a concession as the minor coalition partner that allowed them to get other Lib Dem policies agreed and it still haunts them 15 years later. Meanwhile other Parties make mistake after mistake and get given a load of slack.

 

[BoldonLad]

They really haven't. Clegg made a massive mistake when in coalition.
Farage is prepared to say literally anything.

Clegg and coalition is recent history, the Lib-dems have been promising pie in the sky for the whole of my adult life, and, probably longer.

That did not stop me voting for them when it suited me.

It is how the system works, most promises when in opposition are like snow on a hot shovel, if the promise maker actually has to deliver.by virtue of being elected.

We have just witnessed the latest round from Labour, before the Election, plenty of talk about making those with the broadest shoulders bear the largest share of the burden, and, what do we have after elected, Winter fuel allowance, an attempt to cut welfare, any impact on those "broadest shoulders"?

 

[briantrumpet]

One ‘mistake’ that was a concession as the minor coalition partner that allowed them to get other Lib Dem policies agreed and it still haunts them 15 years later. Meanwhile other Parties make mistake after mistake and get given a load of slack.

It was the politics of messy compromise, which I'm all for. You get through bits that you really want and hold your nose on the stuff you'd rather not do, but taken overall, some progress is made on the core stuff.