Starmer's vision quest

[Ian H]

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I hate that term wholeheartedly.

Firstly, it feeds into the trope that the more you earn the easier it is. There not much correlation in my experience, but if anything the successful people I know have that success at a high personal cost.

Secondly, by extension, it is intrinsically patronising to the poor proletariat who are working so hard, so so hard. But thank you and please accept this pat on the head.

Thirdly, it's going to get exploited to create some false divide between hard working people on six figure salaries with those possibly working less hard on lower salaries, regardless of which group is going to die from a stress induced illness first.

People with higher earnings live longer.

 

[First Aspect]

People with higher earnings live longer.

Which isn't cheap.

 

[Psamathe]

Labour elite seem to think that adding "for working people" (sometimes "for hard working people") justifies anything. We're going to accelerate climate damage by building more airport runways for hard working people. We're going to increase business costs by increasing NI for working people. etc.

I hate that term wholeheartedly.

I agree.

It's weird how some "postfix" expressions seem to provide strong justifications. Like Labour just append "for hard working people" as a justification for anything & everything, where I live adding "for business" to any planning application ensure plans will be approved without question eg "Applying for outdoor Jacuzzi to enjoy with family and friends on summer evenings" might be rejected whilst "Applying for outdoor Jacuzzi to enjoy with family and friends on summer evenings, for business" would always be approved.

 

[CXRAndy]

View: https://x.com/MartinDaubney/status/1980972790015729682?t=R-HqCkedkUUa88Lqa-R9qQ&s=19

 

[matticus]

Like Labour just append "for hard working people" as a justification for anything & everything

haha haha haha! Another linguistic evil invented by Starmer. The devious bastard!

Try searching for Sunak "hard working families" quotes. Let us know how many you find.

(oh ok, 'ere ya go: https://www.ecosia.org/search?q=sunak+"hard+working+families"&addon=opensearch )

 

[First Aspect]

Are there tax implications for lazy bastards?

 

[Pross]

I agree.

It's weird how some "postfix" expressions seem to provide strong justifications. Like Labour just append "for hard working people" as a justification for anything & everything, where I live adding "for business" to any planning application ensure plans will be approved without question eg "Applying for outdoor Jacuzzi to enjoy with family and friends on summer evenings" might be rejected whilst "Applying for outdoor Jacuzzi to enjoy with family and friends on summer evenings, for business" would always be approved.

"Much needed housing" on anything whatsoever to do with planning is another favourite. "A development of 20 bespoke, luxury, 15 bedroom houses with tennis court and outdoor pool providing much needed housing for the area".

 

[First Aspect]

"Much needed housing" on anything whatsoever to do with planning is another favourite. "A development of 20 bespoke, luxury, 15 bedroom houses with tennis court and outdoor pool providing much needed housing for the area".

"Affordable housing". Meaning what, exactly? A caravan?

 

[glasgowcyclist]

"[Mahmood] knew Jewish football fans were being banned from a UK stadium, and did nothing," Badenoch says.

Badenoch fanning the flames as usual, could she not just have said ‘Tel Aviv fans‘.

It's odd.

By claiming jews are banned from the game she's really saying that all jews are thugs with a reputation for violent disorder.

Seems a bit off-message to me.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

haha haha haha! Another linguistic evil invented by Starmer. The devious bastard!

Try searching for Sunak "hard working families" quotes. Let us know how many you find.

(oh ok, 'ere ya go: https://www.ecosia.org/search?q=sunak+"hard+working+families"&addon=opensearch )

Whatever happened to the squeezed middle? Glass half full - give Starmer credit for avoiding that term.

 

[Pross]

"Affordable housing". Meaning what, exactly? A caravan?

There's proper definitions for that. It's based on percentages of the local market in terms of sale or rental values from memory so 'affordable' in London is probably like a 5 bedroom detached in many other places.

 

[First Aspect]

There's proper definitions for that. It's based on percentages of the local market in terms of sale or rental values from memory so 'affordable' in London is probably like a 5 bedroom detached in many other places.

From what I can tell based on my extensive 30 seconds of research, it's a fairly broad term including up to 80% of market rates. Since market rates are a) high and b) capable of being wildly guestimated, I'm not sure it's a particularly limiting term.

Does "affordable" include bargain mansions, like Prince Andrew's? Or is there a size restriction?

 

[Pblakeney]

From what I can tell based on my extensive 30 seconds of research, it's a fairly broad term including up to 80% of market rates. Since market rates are a) high and b) capable of being wildly guestimated, I'm not sure it's a particularly limiting term.

Does "affordable" include bargain mansions, like Prince Andrew's? Or is there a size restriction?

Must do, as Andy seems to be able to afford it with minimal known income.

 

[secretsqirrel]

It's odd.

By claiming jews are banned from the game she's really saying that all jews are thugs with a reputation for violent disorder.

Seems a bit off-message to me.

She is very deliberately lying and pushing the ‘antisemite‘ accusation button. That’s how off-message.

 

[BoldonLad]

Labour elite seem to think that adding "for working people" (sometimes "for hard working people") justifies anything. We're going to accelerate climate damage by building more airport runways for hard working people. We're going to increase business costs by increasing NI for working people. etc.

The usual qualifiers (ie the elderly, the children, the disabled, the vulnerable, etc) have been a bit over used, time for some new bullshit. 😂