Starmer's vision quest

[CXRAndy]

This is going to be interesting

 

[First Aspect]

I was attempting to make light of your bludgeoning pedantry - but in fairness to conclude that polls have consistently been for 'no' does somewhat imply that you are including the 'don't knows' among that contingent.

Incorrect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_Scottish_independence

Half the polls in 2025 favour each side, more or less, not taking the don't knows into account.

I believe your contention was the polls showed consistent support over the past 5 years.

 

[Stevo 666]

Why? This is a genuine question.

There are two parties in this 'relationship' - I reckon both should get a say in whether to stay together or split.

 

[Stevo 666]

This is going to be interesting

I put it politely as it was a genuine question. But you've already stolen my thunder 🙂

 

[First Aspect]

There are two parties in this 'relationship' - I reckon both should get a say in whether to stay together or split.

That's not normally how self determination works Stevo. It would be like Russians voting on Ukraine's future, with the exception that Scotland is not in any way oppressed.

 

[Stevo 666]

That's not normally how self determination works Stevo. It would be like Russians voting on Ukraine's future, with the exception that Scotland is not in any way oppressed.

I know, but it would be nice to have that choice

 

[First Aspect]

I know, but it would be nice to have that choice

Behave yourself

 

[spen666]

That's not normally how self determination works Stevo. It would be like Russians voting on Ukraine's future, with the exception that Scotland is not in any way oppressed.

That's not what the SNP say

 

[Stevo 666]

Behave yourself

But that would spoil half the fun of the forum.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

Is he though? From what I've read about his time in the CPS it looks like he might have landed the top job as a consequence of the Peter Principle.

Regarding his ascent to the leadership of the labour party, he is looking more and more like a tool for the traditional right to take over the labour party once the tories became unelectable. Just a front for others.

I think he is, he doesn't strike me as a David Davies type that has blagged his way into a lot of top jobs. I think he does struggle as a Leader though hence his deference to people like McSweeney. He is an odd mix though, as I have said before he is very good at the Diplomacy part i.e. his handling of Ukraine and general European relations. With domestic policy and engaging with the electorate he seems meek and unable to stick to a decision.

 

[secretsqirrel]

I think he is, he doesn't strike me as a David Davies type that has blagged his way into a lot of top jobs. I think he does struggle as a Leader though hence his deference to people like McSweeney. He is an odd mix though, as I have said before he is very good at the Diplomacy part i.e. his handling of Ukraine and general European relations. With domestic policy and engaging with the electorate he seems meek and unable to stick to a decision.

Controversial, but I think he manages the relationship with Trump as good as anyone can. This is probably his biggest challenge as PM.

 

[briantrumpet]

I think he is, he doesn't strike me as a David Davies type that has blagged his way into a lot of top jobs. I think he does struggle as a Leader though hence his deference to people like McSweeney. He is an odd mix though, as I have said before he is very good at the Diplomacy part i.e. his handling of Ukraine and general European relations. With domestic policy and engaging with the electorate he seems meek and unable to stick to a decision.

He's an odd mix. I think he's probably intelligent and personable, is generally careful what he says (hence so much scripted stuff), so that probably means he says the right things diplomatically in private. But at the same time he's no orator and has little charisma, so doesn't inspire. And he's alienating himself from the PLP by his Blue Labour cliquery and the Reform Lite twaddle, and his lack of charisma means he's not inspiring his PLP troops either, even they would like him to succeed.

 

[Xipe Totec]

There are two parties in this 'relationship' - I reckon both should get a say in whether to stay together or split.

OK - but considering England's population's over 56 million & Scotland's is around 5.5 million, this would mean the English electorate was deciding for us.

Some might say we should be used to that by now...

 

[Xipe Totec]

That's not what the SNP say

Where do they say that? A link would be nice.

 

[First Aspect]

OK - but considering England's population's over 56 million & Scotland's is around 5.5 million, this would mean the English electorate was deciding for us.

Some might say we should be used to that by now...

Well you could leave with a chip on EACH shoulder then.

Scotland is over represented in Westminster, by the way, based on population.