Starmer's vision quest

[Pblakeney]

So I think we're all agreed Gentlemen? Hanging it is.

I hope tickets don't sell out too quick ...

It seems pitchforks are very de rigueur these days.

 

[matticus]

Obviously the Tories have never done anything wrong...

• Badenoch hacked into website - carries custodial sentence.
• Sunak - fine for not wearing seatbelt. Forgot to mention that his wife ran a childcare company which would directly benefit from government policy. Attended parties during Covid pandemic
• Johnson - illegal prorogation of parliament to prevent scrutiny of Brexit plans. Broke COVID regulations multiple times. Paid Jennifer Arcuri taxpayers money to get his leg over. Took secret £52k loan with an unlawful declaration. Took £27k of food and failed to declare gift. Presided over cash for peerages. Ignored the Lords Appointment Commission veto of Peter Cruddas. Forgot to register a 20% share in a somerset farm. Conspired to have a journalist beaten up.
• Charlie Elphicke - 3 counts of sexual assault.
• Chris Davies - guilty of submitting false expenses claims
• Imran Khan - sexual assault
• Craig Williams, Russell George, Nick Mason and Simon Chatfield - betting offences
• William Wragg - gave colleagues phone numbers in an attempt to get his leg over (honeytrap)
• Scott Benton - caught in a sting taking money for lobbying
• David Warburton - sexual misconduct and drug use
• Chris Pincher - groped two men
• Owen Paterson - breached lobbying rules for cash.
• Priti Patel - Bullying and failing to declare meetings with a foreign power (Israel), lobbied to get a mate a PPE contract. deleted text messages required in a Court of Law.
• Jeremy Hunt - broke money laundering rules. Illegally downgraded services at Lewisham hospital.
• Jacob Rees Mogg - forgot to declare £6m in directors loans taken to avoid tax.
• Neil Parish - watching porn in the chamber.

Yes, but apart from viaducts all the above ...

 

[CXRAndy]

Scandal Queens

Bound to catch on


View: https://x.com/CrewkerneGaz/status/1984290074474000710?t=BfvuiNiL1Vm-bqmEXaPIsA&s=19

 

[Psamathe]

Obviously the Tories have never done anything wrong...

• Badenoch hacked into website - carries custodial sentence.
• Sunak - fine for not wearing seatbelt. Forgot to mention that his wife ran a childcare company which would directly benefit from government policy. Attended parties during Covid pandemic
• Johnson - illegal prorogation of parliament to prevent scrutiny of Brexit plans. Broke COVID regulations multiple times. Paid Jennifer Arcuri taxpayers money to get his leg over. Took secret £52k loan with an unlawful declaration. Took £27k of food and failed to declare gift. Presided over cash for peerages. Ignored the Lords Appointment Commission veto of Peter Cruddas. Forgot to register a 20% share in a somerset farm. Conspired to have a journalist beaten up.
• Charlie Elphicke - 3 counts of sexual assault.
• Chris Davies - guilty of submitting false expenses claims
• Imran Khan - sexual assault
• Craig Williams, Russell George, Nick Mason and Simon Chatfield - betting offences
• William Wragg - gave colleagues phone numbers in an attempt to get his leg over (honeytrap)
• Scott Benton - caught in a sting taking money for lobbying
• David Warburton - sexual misconduct and drug use
• Chris Pincher - groped two men
• Owen Paterson - breached lobbying rules for cash.
• Priti Patel - Bullying and failing to declare meetings with a foreign power (Israel), lobbied to get a mate a PPE contract. deleted text messages required in a Court of Law.
• Jeremy Hunt - broke money laundering rules. Illegally downgraded services at Lewisham hospital.
• Jacob Rees Mogg - forgot to declare £6m in directors loans taken to avoid tax.
• Neil Parish - watching porn in the chamber.

Yeah, she should have said, “we have had a succession of governments who are repeatedly breaking the law”.

No need for whataboutery then 😊

Need to remember that under our current political system wrongdoings and mistakes under any previous leadership are voided and irrelevant when a new leader takes over. So Badenoch becoming leader wipes the slate completely clean for everything she was part of or perpetrator of that wrongdoing, extended to include her supporters.

It's a bit like an automated "Presidential Pardon" - new leader self-declares pardon for any and all wrongdoing by themselves and her supporters whilst maintaining blame & guilt of those who don't support him/her.

 

[Pblakeney]

Need to remember that under our current political system wrongdoings and mistakes under any previous leadership are voided and irrelevant when a new leader takes over. So Badenoch becoming leader wipes the slate completely clean for everything she was part of or perpetrator of that wrongdoing, extended to include her supporters.

It's a bit like an automated "Presidential Pardon" - new leader self-declares pardon for any and all wrongdoing by themselves and her supporters whilst maintaining blame & guilt of those who don't support him/her.

Bollocks!
The tory party were still blaming Blair in 2024. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

 

[CXRAndy]

🤔

 

[C R]

Are reform types willing to pay for the training of all those health care professionals that will be needed to replace all those brown foreign people that are going to be kicked out?

Answers on the back of a brown envelope with a Moscow postmark.

 

[CXRAndy]

Thing is there wouldn't be a need to pay for thousands of extra doctors if the UK government got on deported all the illegal immigrants, stopped supporting the immigrants on benefits.

BTW trainee medics pay for their education like other university students.

But if there were extra cost associated costs to train British people for British jobs- yes

 

[Ian H]

Are reform types willing to pay for the training of all those health care professionals that will be needed to replace all those brown foreign people that are going to be kicked out?

Answers on the back of a brown envelope with a Moscow postmark.

What was actually said:-
20. Medicine is an international profession. The UK is fortunate to have exceptional internationally trained graduates and the NHS will always benefit from their experience. However, getting the right balance between domestically trained graduates, international graduates with experience in the UK and new international graduates is an important issue of policy, and the recent major changes to these ratios have contributed to some of the bottlenecks in training. We cannot shy away from addressing this issue, while supporting the excellent international graduates in the NHS providing patient care.
25. International medical graduates (IMGs) have been a hugely important part of the NHS since its creation in 1948.
26. We heard that IMGs are not always provided with the support they need and that they often end up in roles in which they have difficulty progressing, meaning UK patients now and in the future do not benefit fully from their skills.
https://www.england.nhs.uk/publication/the-medical-training-review-phase-1-diagnostic-report/

 

[C R]

What was actually said:-
20. Medicine is an international profession. The UK is fortunate to have exceptional internationally trained graduates and the NHS will always benefit from their experience. However, getting the right balance between domestically trained graduates, international graduates with experience in the UK and new international graduates is an important issue of policy, and the recent major changes to these ratios have contributed to some of the bottlenecks in training. We cannot shy away from addressing this issue, while supporting the excellent international graduates in the NHS providing patient care.
25. International medical graduates (IMGs) have been a hugely important part of the NHS since its creation in 1948.
26. We heard that IMGs are not always provided with the support they need and that they often end up in roles in which they have difficulty progressing, meaning UK patients now and in the future do not benefit fully from their skills.
https://www.england.nhs.uk/publication/the-medical-training-review-phase-1-diagnostic-report/

You and your facts.

 

[BoldonLad]

What was actually said:-
20. Medicine is an international profession. The UK is fortunate to have exceptional internationally trained graduates and the NHS will always benefit from their experience. However, getting the right balance between domestically trained graduates, international graduates with experience in the UK and new international graduates is an important issue of policy, and the recent major changes to these ratios have contributed to some of the bottlenecks in training. We cannot shy away from addressing this issue, while supporting the excellent international graduates in the NHS providing patient care.
25. International medical graduates (IMGs) have been a hugely important part of the NHS since its creation in 1948.
26. We heard that IMGs are not always provided with the support they need and that they often end up in roles in which they have difficulty progressing, meaning UK patients now and in the future do not benefit fully from their skills.
https://www.england.nhs.uk/publication/the-medical-training-review-phase-1-diagnostic-report/

Sounds sensible to me, which presumably means it will never happen 😊

 

[C R]

Sounds like the answer to my question is no. Quelle surprise.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Sounds sensible to me, which presumably means it will never happen 😊

It's sensible. My GP friend tells me it's not currently practical though. There are more than enough high quality UK A level students who could study medicine but there isn't the capacity in UK universities because of the lab space and resources needed. Likewise there isn't the capacity in hospitals to place a big increase in the numbers of student medics for work experience. Basically there isn't enough slack in the NHS system to give the time and effort required to train them and unis would need a huge investment to expand capacity.

It would require billions invested over a decade or more and I don't think any government has the appetite to spend that kind of money when they can poach trained medics and dentists from abroad.

 

[Ian H]

Sounds sensible to me, which presumably means it will never happen 😊

Properly supporting international medical graduates, you mean?