Starmer's vision quest

[icowden]

The Rest Is Politics podcast today raised a good point in that Starmer's approval ratings are now so dire they are complete no-hopers come any elections.

Did they also mention that PM ratings tend to drop over the first year. It doesn't matter what they are now. What matters is where they are in 3 years time. Maybe by then he'll have actually achieved something useful.

Yes, I am an optimist.

 

[monkers]

Did they also mention that PM ratings tend to drop over the first year. It doesn't matter what they are now. What matters is where they are in 3 years time. Maybe by then he'll have actually achieved something useful.

Yes, I am an optimist.

However if or when you feel that you are made a scapegoat or a victim of this government's wrongfooted policies and actions, that will remain in the memory for a long time. There are many people who still refuse to vote Labour due to the Iraq war.

 

[icowden]

There are many people who still refuse to vote Labour due to the Iraq war.

And many who refuse to vote Tory due to the Miners Strikes.

 

[Rusty Nails]

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Your vote has a 5 year free returns guarantee.

Not free in that you’ve paid for everything that happened in those five years, and may be paying for a long time after,

 

[BoldonLad]

2p on the basic rate is being floated. That's a lot.

So is even a modest proportion of the £200Bn worklessness cost that I think could probably be called a Snowflake benefit, that is doing the news cycle today.

As I keep saying, you can't just keep putting taxes up and expect growth.

A "lot" it may be, but, is it enough?

 

[Rusty Nails]

A "lot" it may be, but, is it enough?

What do you think?

Enough for what?

 

[First Aspect]

A "lot" it may be, but, is it enough?

Not without reigning in spending, no. It is getting to the stage where tax rises are probably costing more than the loss of growth they are causing.

This doesn't sound terribly left leaning of me, but it comes back to the staggering increase in long term sickness absence across the workforce over the past decade, compared to other countries.

In France they want to retire at 55. Here we just stop working and go off sick.

 

[CXRAndy]

A "lot" it may be, but, is it enough?

Could be enough to further depress the public into cutting spending on good and services, causing businesses to further struggle.

Less tax revenue from less activity

Doom loop

 

[BoldonLad]

What do you think?

Enough for what?

I doubt it is, she, or her successor will be back for more, next year, or, possibly sooner

to fill the every growing black hole which Rachel keeps telling us about

 

[CXRAndy]

View: https://x.com/LBC/status/1986058919782056425?t=ekcnz_tl_3c1kZjhNLptFw&s=19

 

[monkers]

And many who refuse to vote Tory due to the Miners Strikes.

Yes, indeed. You were discussing Labour. I accordingly offered one example of something remaining long in the memory of some voters, but of course, the same applies to other parties or individuals. For balance then we might also mention the Lib Dems for being kingmakers of the Tory Party in 2010.

 

[briantrumpet]

The Rest Is Politics podcast today raised a good point in that Starmer's approval ratings are now so dire they are complete no-hopers come any elections. So breaking every commitment, every promise can't do much damage as all the damage has already been done by the Starmer/Reeves/McSweeny/Glassman coalition. The hole in the bucket has already allowed all the water to drain out so more holes makes no difference.

Indeed. If they think that doing more of the same but even more enthusiastically, they ain't even going to have a bucket come the election.

 

[Psamathe]

2p on the basic rate is being floated. That's a lot.
...

A "lot" it may be, but, is it enough?

If she does that "she won't be back for more" - just like after the last budget when she herself said "she won't be back for more and as she keeps telling us she sticks to her commitments.

 

[Psamathe]

As I keep saying, you can't just keep putting taxes up and expect growth.

I didn't listen to her full speech but I did har quite a few excerpts from various sources and not one included "growth".

 

[Ian H]

I didn't listen to her full speech but I did har quite a few excerpts from various sources and not one included "growth".

Boom and bust, growth and recession - you can't have one without the other. As long as we have the fetish about growth, getting ever richer (mostly the few, not the many), we are going to have reverses at times. But if you want to encourage growth, it matters not so much how much the government taxes you as what the government spends its income on. Of course it's really much more complicated than just that.