briantrumpet
Shaman
He's no great orator, even if he does have a good speech to read. Macron does this kind of thing far, far better, both in French and in English, not that it makes him any more popular with his own electorate.
Starmer's vision quest
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He's no great orator, even if he does have a good speech to read. Macron does this kind of thing far, far better, both in French and in English, not that it makes him any more popular with his own electorate.
Stevo 666
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TailWindHome
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Psamathe
Guru
I see from Starmer's press conference he's found his fence to sit on. Most commentators think poorly of his chosen fence.
A few excerpts:
A few excerpts:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2026/jan/19/keir-starmer-greenland-tariffs-donald-trump-uk-politics-latest-news-updates?filterKeyEvents=false&page=with:block-696e0d908f08fe8c0be1bbb0#block-696e0d908f08fe8c0be1bbb0
C R
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Pross
Über Member
There was something on the news last night that the Europeans feel he knows how to deal with Trump and that they are keen for him to do the negotiating. Of course, that could just be because they want to keep at least a bargepoles length from Trump themselves and Starmer is an enthusiastic patsy for them.
briantrumpet
Shaman
The thing is that the headline isn't a fair summary at all of the sub headline: "US tariffs are in no-one's interests" isn't ruling them out at all, it's pointing out the pitfalls of using tariffs as a way of settling the dispute.
secretsqirrel
Senior Member
C R
Legendary Member
I don’t get it sorry
Me neither.
spen666
Über Member
Were you surprised he found a fence to sit on .
We must have in Starmer, a World Champion in Fence Sitting
the snail
Active Member
So, what would you do, in his position?
briantrumpet
Shaman
I do slightly despair at people's inability to read between lines of carefully chosen diplomatic/lawyerly words and phrases which are aimed at various targets who will infer different things. Especially when we can be 100% certain that there's lots of stuff that's being relayed by diplomatic channels out of earshot of the media or public.
The easy thing would be to blow the whole thing up in a collective fit of pique, with stuff that would temporarily satisfy an understandable desire to say just what you're thinking in response to a power-crazed senile madman with the capacity to blow up the world (quite literally), but leaving doors open and bridges unburned is what I'd prefer serious and sane leaders to do. Let's not start a world war or a global recession quite yet.
The easy thing would be to blow the whole thing up in a collective fit of pique, with stuff that would temporarily satisfy an understandable desire to say just what you're thinking in response to a power-crazed senile madman with the capacity to blow up the world (quite literally), but leaving doors open and bridges unburned is what I'd prefer serious and sane leaders to do. Let's not start a world war or a global recession quite yet.
Pblakeney
Guru
I think that you are 100% correct.
However, you have to take into account who he is delivering the message to. By that I mean Donnie and Project 2025. Subtle won't cut it.
Blazing Saddles
Active Member
Starmer sees himself as the bridge between Europe and the US, successfully brokering a deal and winning the Nobel Peace Prize.
