briantrumpet
Timewaster
I think you might have overlooked mentioning that he'd almost certainly look to destroy the NHS as we know it asap.
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I think you might have overlooked mentioning that he'd almost certainly look to destroy the NHS as we know it asap.
TailWindHome
Über Member
He's not a fit person to have in Downing Street. No further policy analysis required
briantrumpet
Timewaster
Quite so. He's as untrustworthy as Johnson, but without the charm or the cod Latin. I just assume he's lying about everything, which seems to be a pretty safe bet, going on evidence so far.
bobzmyunkle
Veteran
@Stevo 666 we've been here before and you copped out like you always do.
Tell me the amount of debt Thames Water had at privatisation. Tell me how much debt they have now. Then explain why privatisation has been so successful for customers of Thames Water.
If you can manage that one we can move on to other areas of the country and other utilities.
C R
Legendary Member
Capitalist success is not measured in benefit to the customer. Capitalist success is measured in accumulated capital by the investors
Psamathe
Legendary Member
Thinking about Streeting starting up wanting UK to rejoin EU, whilst I agree we should (probably only thing from Streeting I can agree with), I think at this time he's trying to sabotage Burnham's by election prospects.
The time to be laying out policy for a leadership election is once the election is called. But now, with Burnham facing a pro-Brexit electorate and against Reform in its ascendancy can only be sabotage (but in a "I'm only being honest ..." deniable manner).
The time to be laying out policy for a leadership election is once the election is called. But now, with Burnham facing a pro-Brexit electorate and against Reform in its ascendancy can only be sabotage (but in a "I'm only being honest ..." deniable manner).
midlandsgrimpeur
Senior Member
I was out cycling today, stopped at a cafe for a coffee and cake. A few minutes in my attention was caught by a guy having a conversation with an apparent stranger at a table behind me. He was spouting endless conspiracy theories; covid, climate change, immigration, essentially reciting various made up Facebook/X posts. My favourite was him telling the guy that yesterday's so called 'unite the kingdom' rally bollocks was people "letting off a bit of steam".
When I turned round to catch a glimpse of him, it was a white guy in his late 20's. What shocked me was that his wife was Indian (actually Indian, not British Asian), and they had a 6-7 month old daughter. This guy surely can't be inherently racist, but he must be so consumed by social media and vulnerable to it that he was spouting 'ideas' and conspiracies that were completely contrary to his own personal relations.
I think much of the hatred and the vitriol as highlighted by the Labour Councillor has been created by online content. I don't believe, for many, that it confirms existing beliefs (obviously it does for some). I honestly think it is manufacturing them, and we underestimate just how many people are vulnerable to this crap.
Pross
Veteran
So good you replied twice
Stevo 666
Guru
I see a future Labour making me and the country considerably worse off. More so than Reform.
Stevo 666
Guru
Bobz, stop trying to deflect. I asked you to justify why in your view nationalisation is a good idea and youve ducked it twice now. Big fat leftie fail, but then again, I didn't expect anything else.
Stevo 666
Guru
Looks like Burnham has done his first U-turn and he's not even an MP yet, let alone running the country 🙂
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/05/17/andy-burnham-in-retreat-over-brexit-betrayal/
Maybe Lord Glasman has a point (quote from the article):
“He’s got to come out and say the future of our country is as a sovereign nation state, that we will renew our defence and our industry,” he said.
“If Andy Burnham doesn’t grasp the positive benefits of Brexit, he will lose. This isn’t Manchester he’s standing in: it’s Wigan. It is a 65 per cent Brexit seat.
“He has the future of the Labour Party in the palm of his hand. Labour has got to be a patriotic, sovereigntist party if it is to reconnect with working-class voters.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/05/17/andy-burnham-in-retreat-over-brexit-betrayal/
Maybe Lord Glasman has a point (quote from the article):
Burnham ‘will lose’ unless he embraces Brexit
Lord Glasman, founder of the influential Blue Labour movement, said on Sunday that Mr Burnham would lose the Makerfield by-election unless he showed voters that he “grasps the positive benefits of Brexit”.“He’s got to come out and say the future of our country is as a sovereign nation state, that we will renew our defence and our industry,” he said.
“If Andy Burnham doesn’t grasp the positive benefits of Brexit, he will lose. This isn’t Manchester he’s standing in: it’s Wigan. It is a 65 per cent Brexit seat.
“He has the future of the Labour Party in the palm of his hand. Labour has got to be a patriotic, sovereigntist party if it is to reconnect with working-class voters.”
C R
Legendary Member
So you are happy that privatisation of the water service produced big returns for investors but no particular benefits for the users, or the environment. I presume you will be happy for the same to happen to the NHS.
BoldonLad
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Yes, I would agree. So, would that suggest being a Football manager is better career choice than being a Party Leader? 😂
C R
Legendary Member
I can see you have no answers.
