Strike!

[BoldonLad]

You're on £35k in Wolves with two teenagers and renting a 3 bed. You're allowed a 3 bed because you've both a boy and a girl and they're past the age of puberty.

Universal Credit will pay £640 but the £600 for the rent is part of the calculation. You don't get that as well.

Your monthly take home after tax/NI and pension contributions is about £1850. You keep the first £344 as a Work Allowance the rest counts against Universal Credit as a taper rate of 55p for every £1 earned.

First, thank you for the example.

The bolded bit, I find totally unfair, it is like being taxed at 55%, although way below the higher earnings tax threshold. I don't understand why the taper rate cannot be just that, a taper, not a cliff edge.

Not saying this is your fault by the way, I appreciate you simply administer the system, not design it.

 

[BoldonLad]

The law for Maternity Pay is that you get 90% of pay for 6 weeks then £156.66/week. Some employers pay more but that's under your contract.

Understood. Thank you.

 

[Bromptonaut]

First, thank you for the example.

The bolded bit, I find totally unfair, it is like being taxed at 55%, although way below the higher earnings tax threshold. I don't understand why the taper rate cannot be just that, a taper, not a cliff edge.

Not saying this is your fault by the way, I appreciate you simply administer the system, not design it.

I agree that the 55% taper could be a lot better but it's only recently been reduced from north of 60%. Since that change a lot of people are better off on Universal Credit than on Tax Credits.

One good thing about Universal Credit is that, 55p/£1 being an it is what it is issue, is that there are, unlike in Tax Credits, no cliff edges and no sweet spots.

I don't even administer it. I'm employed by a charity. It's not as bad as it was, or as people would have you believe, but it's far from perfect.

 

[winjim]

Having parental leave is not being paid differently, they still get same salary/hourly rate/day rate, but, for a defined period, they have an adjusted leave entitlement, is how I see it. There are of course other examples, where being a parent is not a qualification.

Depends on your point of view I suppose. How about London weighting, does that count? Being paid more for living in an expensive area.

 

[BoldonLad]

Depends on your point of view I suppose. How about London weighting, does that count? Being paid more for living in an expensive area.

Never really thought about it, does it? (in your opinion).

Giving an instant response, without deep thought, isn't it simply a way to solve the "supply and demand" dilemma when Nationally agreed pay rates are in use, but, Employees are located in areas with significantly different costs (often housing, but, not exclusively so).

Not exactly the same situation, but, at one stage, in my working life, my employer often required me to work overseas for extended periods of time, I always negotiated a suitable "allowance" to compensate for variations in living costs.

 

[Deleted member 49]

Do they deserve it....they get paid more than x does...shouldn't have kids if they can't afford them....better off on benefits ect ect.Meaningless bullsh1t.
Solidarity with the strikers,pay them what they deserve !

 

[PaulB]

£28bn - the amount Rishi Sunak claims is needed to award an 11% pay rise to all public sector employees (independent sources say the real figure is £23bn) which would result in households having 'to pay and extra £1,000 a year' in tax.
£30bn - the amount September's disastrous Truss/Kwarteng mini-budget cost the country, with households given no choice about picking up the bill.

 

[Deleted member 49]

£28bn - the amount Rishi Sunak claims is needed to award an 11% pay rise to all public sector employees (independent sources say the real figure is £23bn) which would result in households having 'to pay and extra £1,000 a year' in tax.
£30bn - the amount September's disastrous Truss/Kwarteng mini-budget cost the country, with households given no choice about picking up the bill.

In the last 3 months this government has written off £4bn of fraud it couldn't be arsed chasing, handed a £7.4bn tax giveaway to banks,loans of 20bn it more than likely won't get back.
Over 3,000 govt staff chase £1bn of benefit fraud.Yet Just 300 ish staff chase £34bn of tax avoidance / evasion.Yea I know tax avoidance is legal !
Nurses,Posties,Railway workers and other so called essential workers worked right through the pandemic.Supposedley to try and keep the country from falling apart whilst the Tories and their friends stuffed their pockets.
It's a political choice....there's always money.

 

[PaulB]

In the last 3 months this government has written off £4bn of fraud it couldn't be arsed chasing, handed a £7.4bn tax giveaway to banks,loans of 20bn it more than likely won't get back.
Over 3,000 govt staff chase £1bn of benefit fraud.Yet Just 300 ish staff chase £34bn of tax avoidance / evasion.Yea I know tax avoidance is legal !
Nurses,Posties,Railway workers and other so called essential workers worked right through the pandemic.Supposedley to try and keep the country from falling apart whilst the Tories and their friends stuffed their pockets.
It's a political choice....there's always money.

Indeed. What a shame our good friend - you-know-who hasn't put in an appearance to challenge the earlier post. Mind you, he knew he was on a loser there so no surprise.

 

[theclaud]

I haven't got a clue what 'maximum allowed for rent' means and even less of and idea what 'UC' is?

Shep: I've not got a clue what I'm talking about but here's my opinion.

Bolders: Brilliant, mate. Classic. Love it.

 

[Deleted member 28]

You're on £35k in Wolves with two teenagers and renting a 3 bed. You're allowed a 3 bed because you've both a boy and a girl and they're past the age of puberty.

Universal Credit will pay £640 but the £600 for the rent is part of the calculation. You don't get that as well.

Your monthly take home after tax/NI and pension contributions is about £1850. You keep the first £344 as a Work Allowance the rest counts against Universal Credit as a taper rate of 55p for every £1 earned.

So how much would I get over and above the £1850 from my employer then, just a figure will do.

 

[Bromptonaut]

So how much would I get over and above the £1850 from my employer then, just a figure will do.

(For the third time)....

£640.

 

[BoldonLad]

Shep: I've not got a clue what I'm talking about but here's my opinion.

Bolders: Brilliant, mate. Classic. Love it.

Water on me, since I have no idea what you are referring to

 

[Deleted member 28]

(For the third time)....

£640.

Why not say in the first place instead of all this sh*t?

Universal Credit will pay £640 but the £600 for the rent is part of the calculation. You don't get that as well.

You keep the first £344 as a Work Allowance the rest counts against Universal Credit as a taper rate of 55p for every £1 earned.

 

[theclaud]

Why not say in the first place

He did.