Sturgeon resigns

[Deleted member 28]

She has buried herself in working for independence for years and has made huge progress.

What progress would this be then, last time I looked Scotland was still part of the UK.

 

[Rusty Nails]

I have always thought that she was a very good left leaning politician, better than the UK Labour leaders of her time.

But, from someone who only sees Scottish politics from outside and via the media, how good a leader has she been?

Has the demand for devolution by the Scottish electorate increased since the heady days of the last IndyRef? Recently it seems to have plateaued at around the same level as at IndyRef with slight variations depending on the story of the day.

Have education, health and social services improved at all during the same period?

As an undoubtedly big personality in Scottish politics who in the SNP is ready to fill her shoes?

 

[multitool]

What progress would this be then, last time I looked Scotland was still part of the UK.

As in support for independence.

 

[Deleted member 28]

As in support for independence.

She's been very successful in supporting it, just not achieved it.

What progress has she made in your opinion?

 

[MrGrumpy]

Have education, health and social services improved at all during the same period?

As an undoubtedly big personality in Scottish politics who in the SNP is ready to fill her shoes?

this is where the SNP have failed in my view . Education has gotten worse. Too much meddling in how things are taught.
Unfortunately drug deaths being what they are is on their watch . However drug/alcohol addiction is also a consequence of deprivation within society. She has tried/attempted to do something about alcohol and our reputation up here . However it’s been met with the usual obstacles from other parties whom really don’t have an answer either .
Politics is a shoot show right now. You want a party to bite for but quite honestly none of the other two main parties up here fill me with confidence neither.
So really that’s Labour because nobody in their right mind would vote conservative in Scotland .

 

[Xipe Totec]

I have always thought that she was a very good left leaning politician, better than the UK Labour leaders of her time.

But, from someone who only sees Scottish politics from outside and via the media, how good a leader has she been?

Has the demand for devolution by the Scottish electorate increased since the heady days of the last IndyRef? Recently it seems to have plateaued at around the same level as at IndyRef with slight variations depending on the story of the day.

Have education, health and social services improved at all during the same period?

As an undoubtedly big personality in Scottish politics who in the SNP is ready to fill her shoes?

The London-centric media is very keen to attempt to portray the SNP-led Scottish government as a single-issue rolling disaster and you will only tend to hear about things that can be used to portray them - and Scotland in general - in a poor light. Up here the UK media attitude tends to be summed up in a handy, easy-to-remember portmanteau: SNPBAD!

However there are reasons why the SNP & Nicola Sturgeon have tended to be re-elected over & over, with resounding majorities. Someone else has done the hard work of compiling some of those reasons here:

And there's another, which I think has been just as important if not more so, after the last 13 years of Tory incompetence, corruption, neglect and crass, wilful mismanagement:

Hope.

 

[MrGrumpy]

The London-centric media are very keen to attempt to portray the SNP-led Scottish government as a single-issue rolling disaster and you will only tend to hear about things that can be used to portray them - and Scotland in general - in a poor light. Up here the UK media attitude tends to be summed up in a handy, easy-to-remember portmanteau: SNPBAD!

However there are reasons why the SNP & Nicola Sturgeon have tended to be re-elected over & over, with resounding majorities. Someone else has done the hard work of compiling some of the reasons here:

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And there's another, which I think has been just as important if not more so, after the last 13 years of Tory incompetence, corruption, neglect and crass, wilful mismanagement:

Hope.

Some of those I agree are worthy but it all has to be paid for in some way !

 

[Xipe Totec]

Some of those I agree are worthy but it all has to be paid for in some way !

Looks like the Scottish Government manages pretty well then, considering it's only able to control a proportion of its own finances.

 

[BoldonLad]

She had (has) qualities missing in so many of our politicians, particularly the current Westminster government, such as integrity, compassion, intelligence, honesty, and justice.

She’ll be hard to follow, that’s for sure.

Very true. Personally, didn't agree with everything she said or did, but, full marks to her, she did them well. Big shoes to fill there.

 

[multitool]

She's been very successful in supporting it, just not achieved it.

What progress has she made in your opinion?

In growing support amongst the population for independence. There is reasonably reliable polling out there, for example Professor Sir John Curtice's 39th annual British Social Attitudes Survey last year. Support for Independence was at a record high.

 

[Deleted member 28]

In growing support amongst the population for independence. There is reasonably reliable polling out there, for example Professor Sir John Curtice's 39th annual British Social Attitudes Survey last year. Support for Independence was at a record high.

I read something about the support for independence was almost identical to the 2014 result?

If that's the case she's not achieved anything.

https://www.holyrood.com/inside-pol...and-voters-on-independence-and-gender-reforms

 

[multitool]

What do the words 'record high' mean to you? This kind of stuff may wobble, but the overall trajectory has been up.

 

[Xipe Totec]

I read something about the support for independence was almost identical to the 2014 result?

If that's the case she's not achieved anything.

https://www.holyrood.com/inside-pol...and-voters-on-independence-and-gender-reforms

Independence has regularly been polling at over 50% for the last six months or so - and these polls are generally weighted in ways that are reflective of the 2014 demographic & of that era's political topography, not that of 2022/3. It's worth remembering that at the time of the first referendum independence was polling in the mid 30s - Cameron would never have allowed it had he not been absolutely confident he would win.

And for that reason, and considering the polling stats and how Scotland votes in elections - try asking yourself exactly why Westminster has been so adamant in repeatedly refusing a second referendum, even to the point of an outright denial of basic democracy in Scotland.

 

[Deleted member 28]

Independence has regularly been polling at over 50% for the last six months or so - and these polls are generally weighted in ways that are reflective of the 2014 demographic & of that era's political topography, not that of 2022/3. It's worth remembering that at the time of the first referendum independence was polling in the mid 30s - Cameron would never have allowed it had he not been absolutely confident he would win.

And for that reason, and considering the polling stats and how Scotland votes in elections - try asking yourself exactly why Westminster has been so adamant in repeatedly refusing a second referendum, even to the point of an outright denial of basic democracy in Scotland.

OK, she's done a fantastic job then.

Wonder if you'll ever get the chance to prove it?

 

[Xipe Totec]

OK, she's done a fantastic job then.

Wonder if you'll ever get the chance to prove it?

Well, no. That's the basic denial of democracy bit. There is no lawful route to a second referendum, never mind actual independence.