The economics of staying fed....

[PaulB]

There's always this

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owI7DOeO_yg
to consider.

 

[Fab Foodie]

Housing and inflated property prices are the background cause of poverty in the UK now.

This is without doubt the biggest single issue affecting the UK. Solve this and a whole raft of other problem issues begin to magically dissolve....

 

[mudsticks]

This is without doubt the biggest single issue affecting the UK. Solve this and a whole raft of other problem issues begin to magically dissolve....

But property owners love the idea of becoming richer, just by owning property.

House prices being held down are a real pearl clutcher for many.

 

[Fab Foodie]

Yes in some cases for sure and even the facilities, time and resources to do 'proper' cooking.

Some households don't have that .

This is a subtle but important point which drives the 'convenience' of pre-prepared/cheap take-out food at the poorer end of the population. The marketing is of course aimed at affluent career-mums buying from M&S....

 

[Fab Foodie]

But property owners love the idea of becoming richer, just by owning property.

House prices being held down are a real pearl clutcher for many.

And the building of 'MAWR OUSIN' wherever this occurs. Nimbyism is very strong across the land....

 

[BoldonLad]

This is a subtle but important point which drives the 'convenience' of pre-prepared/cheap take-out food at the poorer end of the population. The marketing is of course aimed at affluent career-mums buying from M&S....

Surely, only the “time and resources” apply to the “affluent career-mums”?

The poor often don’t have the resources or the knowledge.

 

[mudsticks]

This is a subtle but important point which drives the 'convenience' of pre-prepared/cheap take-out food at the poorer end of the population. The marketing is of course aimed at affluent career-mums buying from M&S....

It's a viscious circle, people on low incomes are often working multiple jobs, prepping from fresh is a chore too many, even if they have facilities.


And of course low income food has for a couple of generations been the hyper processed, low nutrition, overly calorific products of the industrialised food system, that has a generous marketing budget .

(Here's looking at 'your lot' FF )

Not what would have been the relatively healthy, veg heavy diet of peasant communities.

 

[mudsticks]

https://www.theguardian.com/food/20...ow-up-fruit-and-vegetables-urban-green-spaces

 

[Fab Foodie]

Surely, only the “time and resources” apply to the “affluent career-mums”?

The poor often don’t have the resources or the knowledge.

Are you implying the less well-off have plenty time on their hands?

 

[Fab Foodie]

And of course low income food has for a couple of generations been the hyper processed, low nutrition, overly calorific products of the industrialised food system, that has a generous marketing budget .

(Here's looking at 'your lot' FF )

Yep, we are also complicit, but like most things in life, it's a bit more complicated than just 'big food bad, little food good'....
Possibly a debate for another thread.

 

[mudsticks]

Yep, we are also complicit, but like most things in life, it's a bit more complicated than just 'big food bad, little food good'....
Possibly a debate for another thread.

Of course it's more complicated.

Which is why most people switch off halfway through the first paragraph..

But big food, and industrialised ag has the lobbying and marketing power, the upper hand in so many ways..

Partly on account of having extracted so much of value from the food and farming system.

Despite the smaller more complex, less environment ally impactful, and short supply food network actually doing the majority of the good feeding, globally

We just don't get the credit for it.

Never mind another thread..It's a whole n'uther forum..

Meanwhile I have the first spring onions to get sown.. 🌱🌱🌱🌱🌱

 

[BoldonLad]

Are you implying the less well-off have plenty time on their hands?

No, not universally. Personally, when dealing with people, I find there are almost always exceptions.

 

[Fab Foodie]

No, not universally. Personally, when dealing with people, I find there are almost always exceptions.

So then, most poor people have plenty of time on their hands except a few exceptions that might be busy in some way?

 

[BoldonLad]

So then, most poor people have plenty of time on their hands except a few exceptions that might be busy in some way?

Didn't think I used the word "most" ?

 

[Fab Foodie]

Didn't think I used the word "most" ?

Well exceptions tend to be the lesser/fewer of any group, so by deduction, most would seem appropriate....