The NCAP Soccerball Thread

[matticus]

And just to rub it in, he admitted his own guilt.

I guess it had been proven to him beyond reasonable doubt!

 

[AndyRM]

no, that is a subjective judgement especially when comparing leagues

 

[AndyRM]

And just to rub it in, he admitted his own guilt.

Initially he claimed it was because his grandad had died at 97 and not had enough kids... Then it was investigated, his grandfather's both died relatively young and had 7 kids between them.

If it wasn't so pathetic it would be quite funny.

 

[AndyRM]

A couple of current affairs topics for the soccerball thread, starting with an unwanted kiss after the world cup final:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66568226

And Mason Greenwood leaving Man Utd following an investigation into abuse allegations:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66554874

My take is that both situations are a sadly well worn path of those in power exercising what they seem to see as some kind of right because of their wealth or status.

 

[icowden]

A couple of current affairs topics for the soccerball thread, starting with an unwanted kiss after the world cup final:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66568226

Yep fair enough. El Presidente has apologised.

And Mason Greenwood leaving Man Utd following an investigation into abuse allegations:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66554874

Although the results of that investigation were that no criminal offence was committed and the things he was accused of did not happen and the things that did happen did not happen in the way they were portrayed as happening. So a man who didn't do anything according to the Police, the Football Management and the victim has agreed to leave his job as people aren't prepared to believe any of the things that they have been told.

Not a great advert for due process.

 

[theclaud]

Yep fair enough. El Presidente has apologised.

Although the results of that investigation were that no criminal offence was committed and the things he was accused of did not happen and the things that did happen did not happen in the way they were portrayed as happening. So a man who didn't do anything according to the Police, the Football Management and the victim has agreed to leave his job as people aren't prepared to believe any of the things that they have been told.

Not a great advert for due process.

We all heard the tape.

 

[Rusty Nails]

So a man who didn't do anything

Not quite true. He has done enough for his employers to realise he is a liability.

I understand the club consulted their women's team before making the decision, and clearly they would not want to be associated with him in any way.

 

[Beebo]

Yep fair enough. El Presidente has apologised.

Although the results of that investigation were that no criminal offence was committed and the things he was accused of did not happen and the things that did happen did not happen in the way they were portrayed as happening. So a man who didn't do anything according to the Police, the Football Management and the victim has agreed to leave his job as people aren't prepared to believe any of the things that they have been told.

Not a great advert for due process.

the charges were dropped partly because key witnesses withdrew.
Read into that what ever you wish.

He remains on the Man U pay roll until 2025 unless they sell him sooner.

 

[spen666]

Yep fair enough. El Presidente has apologised.

Although the results of that investigation were that no criminal offence was committed and the things he was accused of did not happen and the things that did happen did not happen in the way they were portrayed as happening. So a man who didn't do anything according to the Police, the Football Management and the victim has agreed to leave his job as people aren't prepared to believe any of the things that they have been told.

Not a great advert for due process.

This is an inaccurate portrayal of what happened and why it happened.

The police conducted an investigation and presented evidence to the CPS who decided there was sufficient evidence at the point of charging to justify a reasonable prospect of obtaining a conviction against Greenwood.

As a result of a change in circumstances ( I believe it was complainant no longer being willing to support the prosecution), the CPS rightly reviewed the case and it was discontinued on the basis that there was no longer sufficient evidence to justify the reasonable chance of a conviction.
At no time has any investigation concluded no criminal offence was committed or that the things he was accused of did not happen.
The decision was that there is now insufficient evidence to justify the reasonable prospect of a conviction. It is a difference, it may be a subtle one, but it is important.

 

[icowden]

The decision was that there is now insufficient evidence to justify the reasonable prospect of a conviction. It is a difference, it may be a subtle one, but it is important.

It is. It's also important to note that the victim withdrew the charges and the club also found no grounds to dismiss the player.

 

[Bromptonaut]

It is. It's also important to note that the victim withdrew the charges and the club also found no grounds to dismiss the player.

The decision as to press, or withdraw, charges is not a decision for the victim. If the police/CPS want to go ahead they can do; see Caroline Flack.

If the victim's withdrawn her allegations and said she'll decline to give evidence then there will probably be insuperable problems in pursuing a case at trial. In a case like this where the allegations are of abuse in the home one would hope that the police would be very much onto the possibility that the complainant's change of attitude was not wholly of her own volition.

Not sure what you mean about grounds to dismiss. The fact he's transfer listed and it's 100% clear he won't play for MUFC again seems to be to be a distinction without a difference so far as his career is concerned. I can't see any other Premiership Club, or for that matter one in the lower leagues in England being willing to face the consequences of taking him on either.

 

[Pale Rider]

Greenwood leaves the court process as he entered it - not convicted.

While I agree with Spen and Bromp, from the defendant's point of view he can trumpet his 'innocence', which most would do.

Yet Greenwood hasn't done that, his statement is almost of someone who has been convicted, speaking of 'lessons learned' and being 'a better person' in future.

It appears, most unusually, Greenwood accepts behaviour which is barely legal is not good enough, and he accepts being able to wriggle off the hook does not make him innocent.

A refreshing attitude, but it's hard to see how any Premier League or even UK club will risk the possible backlash of taking him.

How about Saudi Arabia?

His attitude to women wouldn't be a problem over there.

 

[AndyRM]

There have been lots of high profile players who have committed various crimes, sexual or otherwise, and have played on.

 

[Mr Celine]

I wonder if Clyde or Raith Rovers would be interested?

 

[spen666]

There have been lots of high profile players who have committed various crimes, sexual or otherwise, and have played on.

The ironic thing here is that those who seek to prevent another club from signing him are actually :

1. punishing the complainant who is facing a future with a lot less income because her partner is unable to work
2. effectively telling the complainant she is wrong to want a relationship with Greenwood and bringing up their child

This is not exactly supporting complainants of domestic abuse or sexual crimes, nor is it supporting the oft put forward idea that complainants should be believed.
I understand the sentiments towards Greenwood from the moral masses, but they seem very deaf to the consequences of their actions on the complainant in this particular case.