The Tory leadership race 2024.

[monkers]

So it's a choice between Bad Enough and Bad Enoch. Conservative members' choice? Bad Enoch. A bad day.

On the other hand Bad Enoch will likely finish the party off or destroy Reform?

Tories are bonkers. The End (of everything if they get back in).

 

[Rusty Nails]

So it's a choice between Bad Enough and Bad Enoch. Conservative members' choice? Bad Enoch. A bad day.

On the other hand Bad Enoch will likely finish the party off or destroy Reform?

Tories are bonkers. The End (of everything if they get back in).

If Badenoch (or Jenrick) is as right wing as people believe then a reason for the existence of Reform vanishes. I don't rule out a pact with Farage at some time given her views on immigration and that will be a big threat to Labour who would not have had such a huge majority without Reform.

 

[BoldonLad]

Wow. They *really* don't want to become electable. We are now down to "pick your favourite racist xenophobe"

If the past few years are anything to go by, there is time for a few more changes of leader, before the next election.

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

I read somewhere that a couple of MPs that support Cleverly voting for Badenoch in order to make sure that Jenrick gets eliminated
but miscounting

might have been what made the difference
no evidence of any kind - but I can believe it

 

[Wobblers]

F*ck me. It's like choosing how you want to be executed.

I was thinking it's more like having to choose your own hideous disease:

CONSERVATIVE PARTY LEADER VOTING CARD

Please put an X to indicate your preferred option. You may choose as many options as you like:

Ebola [ ]
Rabies [ X ]
Bubonic plague [ ]
The Andromeda Strain [ ]
Necrotising fascsis - errr, that flesh eating one [ ]
Smallpox [ ]

(We know that all Conervative Party members are rabid, so we've already ticked that option to get you started.)

 

[Beebo]

If Badenoch (or Jenrick) is as right wing as people believe then a reason for the existence of Reform vanishes. I don't rule out a pact with Farage at some time given her views on immigration and that will be a big threat to Labour who would not have had such a huge majority without Reform.

If the Tories push right they will alienate more voters than they attract.
UK general elections are always won in the centre ground.

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

If the Tories push right they will alienate more voters than they attract.
UK general elections are always won in the centre ground.

But it does give them a crack for reform to "merge" with them

Of course, after the next year or so it deemed to be a failure then clearly the obvious thing is for the newly merged parties go with the proven leader to carry them forward into the undoubted success in the next election

In other words - next leader after this one

will be Farage

at least that is what he will be thinking

possibly

 

[AndyRM]

I was thinking it's more like having to choose your own hideous disease:

CONSERVATIVE PARTY LEADER VOTING CARD

Please put an X to indicate your preferred option. You may choose as many options as you like:

Ebola [ ]
Rabies [ X ]
Bubonic plague [ ]
The Andromeda Strain [ ]
Necrotising fascsis - errr, that flesh eating one [ ]
Smallpox [ ]

(We know that all Conervative Party members are rabid, so we've already ticked that option to get you started.)

I see you went for the mildest of plague options. A nod to the middle ground where politics are usually won?

 

[icowden]

The official photos for the two remaining candidates have been printed:-

Badenoch:

Jenrick:

 

[icowden]

I read somewhere that a couple of MPs that support Cleverly voting for Badenoch in order to make sure that Jenrick gets eliminated
but miscounting

It was reported on local news that Cleverly may have lent some of his votes to one of the candidates (?Badenoch?) as he assumed he had enough support to do so and cleverly underestimated.

 

[Rusty Nails]

If the Tories push right they will alienate more voters than they attract.
UK general elections are always won in the centre ground.

I hope you are right and would generally agree with that, but there is a big problem in this country over attitudes to immigration which probably tipped the balance in favour of Brexit. While all the good and virtuous people on this forum are clearly not tainted with such attitudes, across the political divide, including those who see themselves as firmly in the political centre ground and neither far left or right, many people clearly side with Farage, the DM/Telegraph and people like Badenoch/Jenrick.

 

[mjr]

It was reported on local news that Cleverly may have lent some of his votes to one of the candidates (?Badenoch?) as he assumed he had enough support to do so and cleverly underestimated.

According to Peston last night, there was no organised effort to lend votes but some suspect some Cleverly and ex-Tugendhat supporters voted insincerely to try to knock Robert Generic out. As Ian and Duncan Smith commented, that always goes wrong. And he'd know about leadership votes going wrong, the first post war Conservative leader not to make it to a general election.

 

[Beebo]

According to Peston last night, there was no organised effort to lend votes but some suspect some Cleverly and ex-Tugendhat supporters voted insincerely to try to knock Robert Generic out. As Ian and Duncan Smith commented, that always goes wrong. And he'd know about leadership votes going wrong, the first post war Conservative leader not to make it to a general election.

It’s a stupid as the time 35 Labour MPs stuck Corbyn on the ballot because they felt sorry for him even though they didn’t support his leadership challenge.

 

[mjr]

It’s a stupid as the time 35 Labour MPs stuck Corbyn on the ballot because they felt sorry for him even though they didn’t support his leadership challenge.

Yes, it's just as well we don't let MPs do anything important, isn't it?

 

[spen666]

According to Peston last night, there was no organised effort to lend votes but some suspect some Cleverly and ex-Tugendhat supporters voted insincerely to try to knock Robert Generic out. As Ian and Duncan Smith commented, that always goes wrong. And he'd know about leadership votes going wrong, the first post war Conservative leader not to make it to a general election.

Both of them?