Wobblers
Member
Actually, it was because I thought that more people would have heard of bubonic plague. So going for the populist vote I'm afraid....
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Actually, it was because I thought that more people would have heard of bubonic plague. So going for the populist vote I'm afraid....
Ian H
Legendary Member
Chope does a reverse childless cat woman.
View: https://x.com/kitbradshaw/status/1846861696314273925
View: https://x.com/kitbradshaw/status/1846861696314273925
AuroraSaab
Squire
He's 77 and a good argument for enforcing a retirement age on MP's imo.
Beebo
Guru
It’s brilliant, because women can never win.
Either they are childless and out of touch. Or have kids and are too busy.
icowden
Squire
And complain too much about being upskirted I believe....
AuroraSaab
Squire
Oh he's that guy, isn't he? I'd forgotten.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...ll-halts-fgm-protection-law-christopher-chope
Cameron had young children whilst PM, including a severely disabled one. Blair had a baby. Quite a few with school age kids I think. They managed to do their job and fit their family in. I suspect Chope is basing his comments on his own experience of family life where he spent the week at Westminster and Mrs Chope did all the childcare and domestic stuff. He probably can't grasp that if you have a supportive partnership it doesn't have to fall on one person to be there 24/7 for your children.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...ll-halts-fgm-protection-law-christopher-chope
Cameron had young children whilst PM, including a severely disabled one. Blair had a baby. Quite a few with school age kids I think. They managed to do their job and fit their family in. I suspect Chope is basing his comments on his own experience of family life where he spent the week at Westminster and Mrs Chope did all the childcare and domestic stuff. He probably can't grasp that if you have a supportive partnership it doesn't have to fall on one person to be there 24/7 for your children.
mjr
Active Member
Medical miracle, as well as lying warmonger.
ebikeerwidnes
Senior Member
Citing Cameron and Blair are irrelevant because they are not women and therefore not mothers
Hence it is not the same as they will have a woman around to do the less important stuff - like feed and changing babies and loving and all that stuff
AT least - that is how it works to people like this
and several others I'm sure everyone can name
(and some people I used to work with a while ago!!!)
AuroraSaab
Squire
I think Chope's view is very much that of a man born in a certain era, of a certain class.
icowden
Squire
Well the people / elderly / lunatics (delete as appropriate) have spoken, firmly choosing future unelectability for the Conservative Party. Like him or loathe him, it seems as though Starmer will have two governments back to back.
The second bad enoch to be a prominent Conservative. Whoda thunk?
The second bad enoch to be a prominent Conservative. Whoda thunk?
monkers
Legendary Member
Badenoch's main agenda is anti-wokism. It's in the past rather than the future I feel. Bad Enoch is Bad Enough to cause a party implosion - I don't have a problem with that. Come to that I don't have a problem with a simultaneous Labour implosion. The better we dump this rotten system and consign the corrupt whip system to history the better.
After the recent Labour "gifts" scandal, I expect which ever Conservative "last candidate standing" wins, all Labour MPs will have to be declaring the result as a "gift" on the official register.
(We in the UK when handed to UK politicians may call it "gifts" but when it happens overseas we call it "bribery & corruption").
Ian
(We in the UK when handed to UK politicians may call it "gifts" but when it happens overseas we call it "bribery & corruption").
Ian
C R
Über Member
I wouldn't be so optimistic. The Labour parliamentary majority may be very large, but the electoral majority is thin, and in many constituencies Labour only won because reform took votes from the tories. A suitably lunatic tory leader may bring the fascist vote back. This is a distinct possibility for the next general election. Unfortunately Starmer and Co seem to be ignoring it.
Rusty Nails
Country Member
It doesn't need the fascist vote back to bring back a Tory government anymore than it needed the Trotskyists vote to get Labour into power. What wins elections is desire on the part of the masses to get away from a hopeless government and promises of a better tomorrow (even without details or concrete aims).
Saying Badenoch will see the end of Tory chances is just wishful thinking and she stands just as much chance of leading the Tories to victory as Starmer had when he took over of gaining such a huge majority (assuming she is still leader at the next election), or Trump had when he first announced his aim to be President.
Politics is far less predictable, in terms of outcomes, than it was in the good old days and, sadly, an element of populism is needed to win elections.
icowden
Squire
And yet Starmer won the election by appealing to the centre, not the left. Cameron won by appealing to the centre, not the left. The UK tends to be centrist. A right wing agitator like Badenoch isn't going to get people like me to vote Conservative again. It will just continue to strengthen the Lib Dems.
