Twitter under Musk....

[Deleted member 28]

It is, but it's subject to the same issues as other outlets in that Twitter control the narrative by banning users who post stuff they don't agree with, but allow others who post obnoxious stuff to remain. eg. they happily allow users to have MAP (minor attracted person) in their profile, and allow porn to be posted.

People were concerned that under Musk it would become an unregulated free for all, perhaps not realising that there's grim stuff on there already, it's just that Twitter endorse it.

Do people feel it's a more reliable source of information than say Newspapers or 'the News' then?

Obviously which 'paper one chooses to read will have differing opinions to others but can't any old fool post on twitter?

 

[icowden]

Do people feel it's a more reliable source of information than say Newspapers or 'the News' then?
Obviously which 'paper one chooses to read will have differing opinions to others but can't any old fool post on twitter?

Yes. It definitely isn't more reliable - but it is *much* faster. Newspapers publish once a day. News websites take some time to verify sources, establish the story etc before publshing.

Something newsworthy on Twitter can travel the world in a matter of seconds / minutes as it gets picked up, retweeted, circulated etc. That tends to be the power of twitter. Of course you have to apply critical thinking and some people are not very good at that, and that tends to be where problems arise.

Things don't have to be true, just sensational, in order to travel.

 

[albion]

FSD will always be Beta, even when or if it ever loses the Beta moniker.
https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/21/tesla-increases-fsd-beta-cost-to-15000-in-north-america/
https://electrek.co/2022/09/19/tesla-full-self-driving-beta-expands-owners/
'Locke also tweeted that FSD was still struggling with right turns and other basic tasks'

I imagine the price got raised to $15,000 in an attempt to increase the standard of driver thus cutting risks and capping the number of users.

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There are around 100,000 vehicles equipped with FSD, a number that appears to have remained flat in the first half of the year. Despite its name, FSD does not actually mean cars can drive themselves — they require the human driver to stay alert and take control when needed. It is this distinction which has led the California Department of Motor Vehicles to recently accuse Tesla of falsely advertising its FSD and Autopilot ADAS.

Musk also tweeted Sunday that the price hike would happen after FSD Beta version 10.69.2, which Tesla started rolling out Saturday, was widely released. The newest version boasts upgrades like improved unprotected left turns, a 17% improvement of velocity error for pedestrians and bicyclists, and a new “deep lane guidance” module for smoother lane switches.'

Edit - I would also suggest, that by limiting numbers at about 100,000 Musk is hoping to prevent a full ban on FSD.

 

[Deleted member 28]

Yes. It definitely isn't more reliable - but it is *much* faster. Newspapers publish once a day. News websites take some time to verify sources, establish the story etc before publshing.

Something newsworthy on Twitter can travel the world in a matter of seconds / minutes as it gets picked up, retweeted, circulated etc. That tends to be the power of twitter. Of course you have to apply critical thinking and some people are not very good at that, and that tends to be where problems arise.

Things don't have to be true, just sensational, in order to travel.

I assume twitter users need to be updated with the latest world wide news as it happens then, seems to me far too much time can be spent looking at your phone.

Each to their own though.

 

[icowden]

I imagine the price got raised to $15,000 in an attempt to increase the standard of driver thus cutting risks and capping the number of users.

Nope. You can buy the FSD module for your Tesla and run with FSD enabled. You don't get to join the FSD Beta until you have clocked up a safety score using FSD. The price went up because the FSD computer is expensive to make and install. Musk asserts that the actual value to an owner of FSD could be as much as $100,000 once autonomy is reached.

For those unfamiliar, just because someone purchases FSD doesn’t mean they have access to the FSD Beta. No, the driver is graded by Tesla and given a score. That score has to be above a certain point to be enrolled in the FSD Beta.

There are around 100,000 vehicles equipped with FSD, a number that appears to have remained flat in the first half of the year.

No, there are many many more. The Beta programme was capped at 100,000 users but has now been increased to 160,000 users.

Despite its name, FSD does not actually mean cars can drive themselves — they require the human driver to stay alert and take control when needed. It is this distinction which has led the California Department of Motor Vehicles to recently accuse Tesla of falsely advertising its FSD and Autopilot ADAS.

Yep. Here is the full skinny on FSD vs FSD Beta.

What is the FSD Beta?​

At the most basic level, FSD Beta is the live-testing phase of the newest additions to Tesla’s Full Self-Driving software. Currently, the non-Beta version of FSD is composed of several autonomous driving functions, but FSD does not complete a full trip on its own. The programs currently in Beta are the next step in making safe, fully-autonomous Tesla drives possible in the future.

We think it’s important to note here that neither FSD nor FSD Beta is currently capable of driving safely without human supervision and occasional intervention. Tesla very specifically states that both standard Autopilot functions and Full Self-Driving “require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous.” While the future intent is for Teslas to drive without need for intervention and active human monitoring, FSD and FSD Beta are not there yet.

If you aren't a Beta member you just aren't testing the latest additions. Currently the Beta programme is testing:

• Traffic and Stop Sign Control: identifies traffic lights and stop signs, slows your Tesla to a stop (with supervision)
• Autosteer on city streets:

Everyone with an FSD chip has access to traffic aware cruise control, autosteer, auto lane change, auto follow, auto park, summon and smart summon. The two items in Beta have now reached a stage where Tesla is offering those functions to users with a good safety score but not in the Beta programme.

The down side is that if you are in Europe, FSD is heavily limited to comply with EU legislation. I'm not sure what the rules are for the UK now and whether they are changing.

 

[albion]

You mean 'Tesla' Autopilot.

Just shows how confusing Twitter would be under Musk.

 

[BoldonLad]

You seem to miss the point. FSD is still very much in beta. Rich on the whole are wider disciplined and more likely to drive responsibly.
In the UK electric scooters are illegal. The legal rental schemes are not cheap and serve a similar purpose.

This is a joke, isn't it?

 

[BoldonLad]

Yes. It definitely isn't more reliable - but it is *much* faster. Newspapers publish once a day. News websites take some time to verify sources, establish the story etc before publshing.

Something newsworthy on Twitter can travel the world in a matter of seconds / minutes as it gets picked up, retweeted, circulated etc. That tends to be the power of twitter. Of course you have to apply critical thinking and some people are not very good at that, and that tends to be where problems arise.

Things don't have to be true, just sensational, in order to travel.

Don't you mean "any old shoot"

 

[AuroraSaab]

I assume twitter users need to be updated with the latest world wide news as it happens then, seems to me far too much time can be spent looking at your phone.

Each to their own though.

I think it's more that if you want to know what's happening 'on the ground' in say Iran or Ukraine you can get that on Twitter practically as it happens, from people involved. Actual news outlets have some delay, will try to verify the sources, and so on. The disadvantage of course is that there are accounts that post propaganda and edited footage in order to make people look worse (or better).

Twitter also has the advantage of being a platform for people to bring stories to wider attention. Now you could argue that this is either a good or bad thing, but in the US it is widely used to bring things to public attention that the liberal press won't cover.

 

[albion]

This is a joke, isn't it?

Famous for driving white vans too.

 

[AndyRM]

Famous for driving white vans too.

So, if you're rich that makes you a better driver? Seriously?

If only there was a really prominent example of a rich person who had flipped their car a couple of years ago...

 

[albion]

So, if you're rich that makes you a better driver? Seriously?

If only there was a really prominent example of a rich person who had flipped their car a couple of years ago...

You must be sick and tired of those hoody millionaires riding their uninsured and untaxed motorbikes along the cycle tracks.
The rich kids wheeling in the wrong lane down the high street are a nuisance too.

 

[albion]

It is hard to blame twitter for misinformation when the media, with more responsibility, act irresponsibly.
People like Musk use it go their advantage, the media enabling more misinformation.

 

[icowden]

You mean 'Tesla' Autopilot.
Just shows how confusing Twitter would be under Musk.

No. I mean Tesla FSD.

Tesla Autpilot is not the same thing. Autopilot is present in all Teslas. FSD is an optional AI based system.
Autopilot consists of Traffic-aware cruise control and autosteer. Both systems transmit valuable data back to Tesla to develop the self-driving neural network programming.

FSD adds navigate on autopilot, auto lane change, autopark, summon, smart summon, traffic light and stop sign control (beta) and autosteer on city streets (beta). The FSD system consists of an FSD on-chip dual neural processing unit supported by a set of CPUs and a GPU for post-processing.

A Tesla is a spaceship compared to other EVs.

 

[icowden]

You must be sick and tired of those hoody millionaires riding their uninsured and untaxed motorbikes along the cycle tracks.
The rich kids wheeling in the wrong lane down the high street are a nuisance too.

You seem to have fallen foul of the legs cows fallacy (all cows have 4 legs thus all things with 4 legs are cows). Is it just possible that driving ability etc has nothing to do with your class, wealth or upbringing?