Twitter under Musk....

[albion]

The fantasies still continue.
https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/autopilot
“All new Tesla cars have the hardware needed in the future for full self-driving in almost all circumstances. The system is designed to be able to conduct short and long-distance trips with no action required by the person in the driver’s seat.”

It took 50+ years to get 'smoking kills' so I don't hold much hope for mandatory warnings in all 'supposed' self driving cars.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

The fantasies still continue.
https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/autopilot
“All new Tesla cars have the hardware needed in the future for full self-driving in almost all circumstances. The system is designed to be able to conduct short and long-distance trips with no action required by the person in the driver’s seat.”

It took 50+ years to get 'smoking kills' so I don't hold much hope for mandatory warnings in all 'supposed' self driving cars.

There are no self driving cars allowed on uk roads, your taking a bit from Tesla's promo site but that does not take away that a driver still has the full responsibility to control the vehicle a driver is is driving.

 

[icowden]

The fantasies still continue.

What's the fantasy? It is a statement of fact as far as I am aware.

 

[albion]

Sure.

Fact is it ignores mentioning the dangers of emergency vehicles, rain, children, traffic cones, high sided vehicles, stationary vehicles, puddles etc etc.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Sure.

Fact is it ignores mentioning the dangers of emergency vehicles, rain, children, traffic cones, high sided vehicles, stationary vehicles, puddles etc etc.

Is that a fact? if so can you please post the article/newsitem whatever that proves your fact? So far i can see it's your opinion which you are entitled too but that something else than a fact.

 

[icowden]

Sure.

Fact is it ignores mentioning the dangers of emergency vehicles, rain, children, traffic cones, high sided vehicles, stationary vehicles, puddles etc etc.

Which part of " in almost all circumstances" are you having difficulty with?

 

[albion]

Almost almost and almost. However, it is the ott bullshit marketing that is helping kill people.
It has always been that the FSD feature is its key selling point.

 

[BoldonLad]

Almost almost and almost. However, it is the ott bullshit marketing that is helping kill people.
It has always been that the FSD feature is its key selling point.

Kill people? How many people have been killed by self driving cars then?

 

[albion]

Kill people? How many people have been killed by self driving cars then?

It is the warning free ott marketing that is killing people. How many do you need?
Edit - Seems we have a list of NEWS ONLY knowns. https://www.tesladeaths.com/
You cannot quantify FSD at fault when only Tesla have access to all the data. The other thing to note is Teslas use of nda agreements muddying the waters.
NHTSA death statistics cited by Elon Musk do not differentiate between at-fault and not-at-fault. All manufacturers are treated the same way. For the purposes of calculating Tesla fatalities in accordance with NHTSA methodology, we also do not include the many deaths in other vehicles, despite Teslas being at fault in the majority of those cases.'
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[albion]

https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-nhtsa-adas-crash-statistics-2022/
'The stark numbers have prompted two US senators to call for a review into autonomous driving technology, labelling the industry “out of control”.'

 

[icowden]

NHTSA death statistics cited by Elon Musk do not differentiate between at-fault and not-at-fault. All manufacturers are treated the same way. For the purposes of calculating Tesla fatalities in accordance with NHTSA methodology, we also do not include the many deaths in other vehicles, despite Teslas being at fault in the majority of those cases.'

Yes that's awful. 268 deaths over 9 years. Do you have a similar list of deaths for Ford, Vauxhall, Mercedes, Audi, Citroen, Fiat, Renault etc over the last 9 years*.

I'll bet you £1000 that the list for those companies and their ICE cars is much much longer.

*there were over 42,000 auto deaths for non EV, non self-driving cars in the US in 2021 alone.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Yes that's awful. 268 deaths over 9 years. Do you have a similar list of deaths for Ford, Vauxhall, Mercedes, Audi, Citroen, Fiat, Renault etc over the last 9 years*.

I'll bet you £1000 that the list for those companies and their ICE cars is much much longer.

*there were over 42,000 auto deaths for non EV, non self-driving cars in the US in 2021 alone.

You put my name under that quote while it was @albion who said it.
In addition to your comments deaths due to Toyota's mats(causing the car to accelerate and the driver unable to stop it) General motors unsafe ignition switch or Jeep's gear stick. All example of manufacurers making an error which resulted in human deaths. it's not exclusive to Tesla and with all the attention and eyes op autonomous driving it's unlikely to be more unsafe than the average 20 year old in an tuned Vw golf for example. Or for example somenone driving home after 12 hrs work for example.

 

[icowden]

You put my name under that quote while it was @albion who said it.
In addition to your comments deaths due to Toyota's mats(causing the car to accelerate and the driver unable to stop it) General motors unsafe ignition switch or Jeep's gear stick. All example of manufacurers making an error which resulted in human deaths. it's not exclusive to Tesla and with all the attention and eyes op autonomous driving it's unlikely to be more unsafe than the average 20 year old in an tuned Vw golf for example. Or for example somenone driving home after 12 hrs work for example.

Apologies - don't know how your ident managed to get attached there!

 

[icowden]

'The stark numbers have prompted two US senators to call for a review into autonomous driving technology, labelling the industry “out of control”.'

The stark numbers have prompted two doddery 76 old men scared of change and who can barely operate a mobile phone, to label the industry out of control whilst simultaneously ignoring the mass deaths from ICE cars and gun violence which far outstrip the very few deaths possibly linked to autonomous driving technology but which for the most part aren't actually linked to that tech.

 

[BoldonLad]

It is the warning free ott marketing that is killing people. How many do you need?
Edit - Seems we have a list of NEWS ONLY knowns. https://www.tesladeaths.com/
You cannot quantify FSD at fault when only Tesla have access to all the data. The other thing to note is Teslas use of nda agreements muddying the waters.
NHTSA death statistics cited by Elon Musk do not differentiate between at-fault and not-at-fault. All manufacturers are treated the same way. For the purposes of calculating Tesla fatalities in accordance with NHTSA methodology, we also do not include the many deaths in other vehicles, despite Teslas being at fault in the majority of those cases.'
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I don't WANT any motor vehicle deaths, but, the reality is we have them, by the tens, if not hundreds of thousands, with "human driven" motor vehicles.

Are there any figures for number of deaths per 1000 miles driven, for "computer driven" motorvehicles vs "human driven" motor vehicles?

Not sure what any of this has to do with the Thread Title?