Two-tier? JSO vs Dover protest

[monkers]

In their own words from sm posts. ''Not thugs''. ''Not morons''.

 

[monkers]

I thought it was a tattoo at first glance.

Oh don't make me look again!

 

[Psamathe]

Just like their mis-identification of the Pakistani cricketers, this morning BBC interviewed one of those our "Patriots" have identified online as "traitors" and the RNLI person was on the lifeboats deployed at the time of the protests, in Portsmouth. Seems the RNLI had been tasked because of the risk to "Patriots" entering the water and for the safety of those protestors and nothing to do with any migrants.

...
Neil, whose face was visible in the video, told BBC Verify that the RNLI vessel was in the area to illuminate the beach "purely for the safety of the protesters" who had entered the sea. "I am not a traitor," he added.

Replies to the most widely shared posts featured wide-ranging abuse, including suggestions they should be refused service at pubs and to track down their families.
(also reported at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly47p5vk63o)

Brings to mind the expression "Not the fizziest drink in the fridge" or even "thought moby dick is a sexually transmitted disease". How do people trust the judgement of these "Partiots" when they seem to repeatedly fail to understand every situation.

 

[Dorset Boy]

Just like their mis-identification of the Pakistani cricketers, this morning BBC interviewed one of those our "Patriots" have identified online as "traitors" and the RNLI person was on the lifeboats deployed at the time of the protests, in Portsmouth. Seems the RNLI had been tasked because of the risk to "Patriots" entering the water and for the safety of those protestors and nothing to do with any migrants.

Brings to mind the expression "Not the fizziest drink in the fridge" or even "thought moby dick is a sexually transmitted disease". How do people trust the judgement of these "Partiots" when they seem to repeatedly fail to understand every situation.

The RNLI were tasked with both rescuing the migrants from the boat when it entered UK waters (seemingly the French refused to do anything whilst the boat was in their waters), and partolling the shoreline to ensure the safety of the protestors.

 

[briantrumpet]

FTFY

Erm, that was a 'joke'.

 

[briantrumpet]

I'm going to put this one here, though the thought is more about use of language, specifically 'legitimate':

My thought is that politicians should deliberately avoid using the word 'legitimate', as it's been hijacked by the bigots, in order to legitimate their bigotry and thuggery. In both 'legitimate concerns' and 'legitimate debate', it doesn't actually add anything other than, in effect, condoning the actions of racists and thugs: they could simply say "There is a debate to be had about..." and "There are concerns voiced about... [...] discussion of which is part of a healthy democracy [...] but we won't tolerate violent or coercive direct or indirect actions that undermine an honest and open debate based on factual evidence..."

Or something along those lines. Just that I'm afraid that 'legitimate' is now code for something else entirely, in a similar way to how OFSTED's ranking of 'adequate' for a school actually meant 'inadequate'.

 

[C R]

Erm, that was a 'joke'.

Is there an echo in 'ere?

 

[briantrumpet]

Is there an echo in 'ere?
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Sorry, it was still in my browser as a draft when I got home tonight, so assumed it hadn't been published. It's not funny.

 

[Pross]

I'm going to put this one here, though the thought is more about use of language, specifically 'legitimate':

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My thought is that politicians should deliberately avoid using the word 'legitimate', as it's been hijacked by the bigots, in order to legitimate their bigotry and thuggery. In both 'legitimate concerns' and 'legitimate debate', it doesn't actually add anything other than, in effect, condoning the actions of racists and thugs: they could simply say "There is a debate to be had about..." and "There are concerns voiced about... [...] discussion of which is part of a healthy democracy [...] but we won't tolerate violent or coercive direct or indirect actions that undermine an honest and open debate based on factual evidence..."

Or something along those lines. Just that I'm afraid that 'legitimate' is now code for something else entirely, in a similar way to how OFSTED's ranking of 'adequate' for a school actually meant 'inadequate'.

Equally concerning is it implies the behaviour would have been acceptable if they had been asylum seekers.

 

[briantrumpet]

Equally concerning is it implies the behaviour would have been acceptable if they had been asylum seekers.

Zackly.

 

[AndyRM]

I thought it was a tattoo at first glance.

It is.

 

[C R]

Wearing face masks and 'black bloc' isn't unique to these demonstrators. It's seen in both left wing and right wing activism. It's meant to intimidate and, obviously, make identification of individuals harder on cctv.
I agree, it's cowardly. If you are there only to peacefully demonstrate within the law, there's no need to dress intimidatingly or hide your face.

Well, it would be nice if the police took the far right doing it as they do the far left. As it is, one is sometimes feeling like the police would like to join the far right thugs.

At least Mahmood has finally asked the police to please also enforce the law on the black shorts.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...y-police-curb-far-right-anti-migrant-protests

 

[briantrumpet]

Well, it would be nice if the police took the far right doing it as they do the far left. As it is, one is sometimes feeling like the police would like to join the far right thugs.

At least Mahmood has finally asked the police to please also enforce the law on the black shorts.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...y-police-curb-far-right-anti-migrant-protests

Quite nice that the Home Secretary has realised that policing is in her brief and spoken up. Burnham's turn next to state that the UK is a tolerant society tht won't tolerate thuggery and militia-type intimidation.

 

[icowden]

I'm going to put this one here, though the thought is more about use of language, specifically 'legitimate':

For those interested in the use of words in politics, I'd heartily recommend Armando Ianucci's Radio4 show/podcast "Strong Message Here" which specifically looks at the way language is used and abused by Politicians. Currently on summer break but back soon...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/m0024cp6

 

[briantrumpet]

From David Allen Green, who specialises in constitutional law:

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/...d-is-terrorism-disruption-in-balaclava-is-not