bobzmyunkle
Senior Member
Spenlogic.I have deliberately not commented on the views of either candidate - because I didnot have a vote in the election.
Spenlogic.I have deliberately not commented on the views of either candidate - because I didnot have a vote in the election.
Under Biden / Harris
America is an ultra capitalist, violent, nationalistic society. Trump is not an outlier, you could say he's a logical endpoint. And he can commit crimes and pardon himself, pack the Supreme Court to interpret the constitution as he likes, issue executive orders. The office of the President of the USA is that of a dictator and they've always abused their power. Obama was regularly carrying out drone strikes in foreign countries. But he had a nice demeanor so we let him have a pass. Bill Clinton was out campaigning for Harris, attempting the mass slaughter of Palestinian children. They're war criminals, the lot of them.
- A genocide is being perpetrated in the Middle East
- Innocent people are executed by the state
- Unarmed black people are murdered by police
- Mass shootings are an almost daily occurrence, school shootings remain prevalent
- Women die from need of abortion, doctors are afraid to be criminalised for providing medical care
- Carbon emissions remain high with catastrophic climate change already a reality
Let's not pretend that the USA is this shining beacon of democracy somehow tainted by one man. It's a ruthless Imperial power which we have allowed to become too strong and influential because it suited us well in the latter half of the 20th century. The current state of affairs should come as a surprise to nobody.
Spenlogic.
Under Biden / Harris
America is an ultra capitalist, violent, nationalistic society. Trump is not an outlier, you could say he's a logical endpoint. And he can commit crimes and pardon himself, pack the Supreme Court to interpret the constitution as he likes, issue executive orders. The office of the President of the USA is that of a dictator and they've always abused their power. Obama was regularly carrying out drone strikes in foreign countries. But he had a nice demeanor so we let him have a pass. Bill Clinton was out campaigning for Harris, attempting the mass slaughter of Palestinian children. They're war criminals, the lot of them.
- A genocide is being perpetrated in the Middle East
- Innocent people are executed by the state
- Unarmed black people are murdered by police
- Mass shootings are an almost daily occurrence, school shootings remain prevalent
- Women die from need of abortion, doctors are afraid to be criminalised for providing medical care
- Carbon emissions remain high with catastrophic climate change already a reality
Let's not pretend that the USA is this shining beacon of democracy somehow tainted by one man. It's a ruthless Imperial power which we have allowed to become too strong and influential because it suited us well in the latter half of the 20th century. The current state of affairs should come as a surprise to nobody.
Yeah, they're all as bad as each other. So by that logic Trump can't be any worse.
I think that's what you're saying.
Democracy isn't one thing. No two democratic systems are alike. None of them is immune to abuse.
It's a ruthless Imperial power which we have allowed to become too strong and influential because it suited us well in the latter half of the 20th century
Just a couple of questions. Who is ‘we’? Are you speaking on behalf of everyone in the UK, or is it you, is it me, is it our government? With any of those what could we, as a piddling little nation or insignificant individuals, have done in the past to stop the richest, most powerful nation in the world becoming too influential? Perhaps when we were in the very wealthy EU we could have had more impact on countering the influence of the US, but the EU seemed quite happy to rely on the might of the US.
Don't forget he also promised to imprison his opposition. I suppose at least we have the results of his New York court case to look forward to. I wonder what happens if they give him a custodial?