monkers
Squire
It's obvious, you're far too butch for me, you can have my place
The Milky Bar Kid is so butch that you hide under the table trembling in fear.
War with Russia
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The Milky Bar Kid is so butch that you hide under the table trembling in fear.
To me there as aspects of thge Israel/Palestine thread & issues not relevant to US role in Ukraine. Israel breaking the "ceasefire" and with US support to me seems US cannot be trusted as any sort of "honest broker" and cannot be trusted to unhold the conditions of any ceasefire.
I assume Ukraine is assuming Trump will be stopping arms/intelligence/etc. at some point so I assume they are putting in place everything possible to mitigate the effects of US continuing moving towards supporting Russia.
Ian
I assume Ukraine is assuming Trump will be stopping arms/intelligence/etc. at some point so I assume they are putting in place everything possible to mitigate the effects of US continuing moving towards supporting Russia.
Ian
Doubt the phone call went well today. How can I say that? It lasted much longer than expected and if there was good news we'd have heard about it within 5 minutes of hanging up. Also, tonights signing of executive orders is behind closed doors and we know the Dumpster loves publicity.
Turns out I was wrong. I like being wrong. 😂 Only baby steps though and I still don't trust Putin.
"Ceasefire negotiations to begin immediately in the Middle Eastpublished at 17:37
Let's bring you some details from the White House's take on the phone call.
According to the White House's recently released read out, the leaders agreed that the movement to peace will begin with an energy and infrastructure ceasefire.
They also agreed to technical negotiations on implementation of a maritime ceasefire in the Black Sea, a full ceasefire and permanent peace.
"These negotiations will begin immediately in the Middle East," it adds."
"Ceasefire negotiations to begin immediately in the Middle Eastpublished at 17:37
Let's bring you some details from the White House's take on the phone call.
According to the White House's recently released read out, the leaders agreed that the movement to peace will begin with an energy and infrastructure ceasefire.
They also agreed to technical negotiations on implementation of a maritime ceasefire in the Black Sea, a full ceasefire and permanent peace.
"These negotiations will begin immediately in the Middle East," it adds."
matticus
Guru
Ive always said the Russians have a way with words:
View: https://x.com/Kasparov63/status/1901819015757971477?t=fMhKTVbLzdHnh6Ick97BwA&s=19
View: https://x.com/Kasparov63/status/1901819015757971477?t=fMhKTVbLzdHnh6Ick97BwA&s=19
From reports I've seen so far ... Putin wants his cake and eat it. No foreign help for Ukraine (no arms, no intelligence, etc.) but of course it's fine for Putin to use thousands of North Korean troops (though I understand he's sending a fair number back ... in body bags).
I can't see Putin compromising atall let alone moving anywhere near anything remotely acceptable to Ukraine. ie Putin's compromise is Putin gets everything and more, Ukraine gets nothing and less (which to Putin isn't an issue 'cos Ukraine will cease to exist anyway).
Ian
I can't see Putin compromising atall let alone moving anywhere near anything remotely acceptable to Ukraine. ie Putin's compromise is Putin gets everything and more, Ukraine gets nothing and less (which to Putin isn't an issue 'cos Ukraine will cease to exist anyway).
Ian
Dorset Boy
Member
Agree. Pootin only wants peace on his terms - ie keep what he has stolen, and leave Ukraine defenceless.
The Tangoed Tw@t just wants the war to stop, get some minerals for his mates and doesn't give a sh!t about Ukraine.
The Tangoed Tw@t just wants the war to stop, get some minerals for his mates and doesn't give a sh!t about Ukraine.
I'm not even sure he's bothered about war stopping. True that he witters on about beautiful people dying but if he was genuinely concerned about needless deaths he wouldn't be providing Netanyahu with unlimited weapons and encouraging him to use them ...
Minerals is just an opportunity that if they are going begging then he'll swipe them.
Ian
dutchguylivingintheuk
Veteran
Because neither Nato or the US have fully commited to this war, they provided military aid to Ukraine that's it. Also military budget does not tell the whole story, In Russia corruption is very high so every 1million they claim is invested does not mean it's actually spend on what they claim it's spend on. (and yes in the west and us that percentage is much smaller.)
They weren't Trump made a deal to withdraw all troops, that's what happened, that the remaining Afghan troops where corrupt and thus resulted in Taliban comming back in control has nothing to do with western military abilities.
Two totally different conflict, What Putin indicates is irrelevant, he tried to invade the whole country not just the part he claims HIS russian puppets where being prosecuted.
It's a bit the same as being arrested for being drunk in public have all breathalyzer/blood tests to prove and that say later on ''but i never said i was drunk''
You where wrong then and you are wrong now. If Russia really wanted to use nukes they had already done so, especially in Ukraine, That's why Russia didn't start with nukes, they just repeat it because it's just about the only thing that they claim to have that still sounds scary. However the launchers they use are also used for convential rocket launches and what we know from this war is that their failure rate is shite. so if Russia with still have nuclear warheads ready that's a other risk added to the mix. (and there is no evidence their ''kingzai missile'' can carry nuclear warheads, there is evidence at least half their specs are lied about)
So before we talk about the nuclear option, the question remains if they even have it. But lets' for argument sake say they have one and launch it to either the uk or the Netherlands, do you seriously believe it can travel trough air defences of Poland, Germany and the Netherlands(yes it's the Netherlands not holland) before being taken down?
And as part of it's Nato commitments the US and if not US we still have france and the Uk will retaliate as part of Nato. considering wejust extrablised their 22x the size in military spending alone and considering we have seen on the battle field that european armed verhicles even in the hand of ukrainian forces who have had 6months at most training instead of the years nato armies have still are much better then their russian counterparts, if it would be an Nato Russia escalation Russia is not going to win that.
I call forcing a much larger enemy whom had widely published plans to take the whole country in 3 days to retreat instead, turning the tables on them multiple times a win to be honest. But yes without support they are likely not gonna win becuse Russia can still rockup so much more numbers(it should read soldiers but they are treated as numbers sadly, no wonder Stalin is an great example for Putin)
However situation now, Arnold Schwarznegger has quite an interesting rant about it is Trump bending over for Putin, i sure hope it's not gonna be like you say above because it wouldn't bring lasting peace as Putin taking Crimea also took less then 5 years before he had a apparent hunger to steal more. I know you have the strange idea Putin is an peace angel who is not expansionist but the numbers speak against you. Like i said before There is an whole list with neighboring countries Putin has been in conflict with. He overpowers most of them with ''soft-power'' by installing an (puppet)government which more suitable to his goals. Something he tried in Ukraine too.
Sadly i think of better sad i agree that the more likely outcome of the current talks is that Putin largely of fully gets what he wants, i disagree however with the statement that Ukraines military would be de-fanged, they still have the f16 and all the donated hardware and that is still superior to Putin's. I just hope Trump isn't stupid enough to make a weapons deal with Russia.
I also think this is an very sad outcome as it rewards Russian aggression but with Trump in the white house tis is where we stand.
There was slavery in Ancient china, in fact it was only abolished in 1910, other races remains to be seen but the main victims where captured soldiers, peasants and criminals.
yes i known what the promoted stories promise, but a discussion like this with two different opinions wouldn't be possible. The chinese line is ''but people love to be oppressed'' it means ''they don't have to worry about breaking the rules just follow them.. or something''. But i guess anyone who is not ''ulgur muslim, political prisoned , arrested for other reasons'' would be counted amongst those 95% it's almost as reliable as Russia's elections, the refendum they held in occupied area's etc.
You often seem forgetful yourself which results in you leaving things out, if we create something, lets give it an name, the name would be United Nations, every country that participates agrees to certain standards. Is it then ''western interference'' or just part of parcel if said countries are asked about earlier agreed standards which they signed up for? Just as Taiwan is protected by the US under certain conditions also nothing to do with ''western interferance'' but all with honoring a deal.
Looks like Canada won't get to be the US 51st state but will have to wait and become the 52nd US state. That's after Trump has taken over every asset worth anything in Ukraine. How long until Trump takes over Ukraine's helathcare system to "protect it from Russian attacks"? Ports could do well under US ownership as they need protection from Putin's drone attacks ...
Ian
Ian
Ukraine, Canada, Greenland, Panama. In what way is Trump any better than Putin? The method used is all; less deaths, same result.
Utter, utter ****.
Dorset Boy
Member
You left Gaza off the list of the Tangoed Tw@t's land grab desires.
My sincerest apologies.
Utter, utter, utter ****.
