War with Russia

[Pblakeney]

Propaganda.
Still have some of their 12" singles in my rack.

 

[Pinno718]

Propaganda. They don’t even risk their best forces getting hit. They keep their best tech safe far deep in Russia. They send criminals & foreign soldiers into the meat grinder.
Arms dealers get rich. Our government & Russias are making money from the military industrial complex. It’s taken years to gain what they set out to do. It’s still slow progress, unless they’re pushed back soon there’s no reason why they can’t keep taking more land.

I'm sorry but I don't agree Milzy.
Putin does not care about the loss of personnel (nor the Russian people). There is no way Putin would hang on to these 'special reserves' in the face of ruin. They do not exist.
The concept sounds like a conspiracy theory.

 

[briantrumpet]

All of that is true, but doesn't necessarily forecast a happy ending for Ukraine.

Serves me right for linking an article that chimes with Pinno's rolling optimism commentary.

 

[AndyRM]

I'm sorry but I don't agree Milzy.
Putin does not care about the loss of personnel (nor the Russian people). There is no way Putin would hang on to these 'special reserves' in the face of ruin. They do not exist.
The concept sounds like a conspiracy theory.

Conspiracy theories are what Milzy deals in.

 

[Pinno718]

General Staff: Russia has lost 1,180,870 troops in Ukraine since Feb 24, 2022.

The number includes 1,080 casualties that Russian forces suffered over the past day.

 

[Pinno718]

Conspiracy theories are what Milzy deals in.

That's his currency, I see.

 

[Pinno718]

Ukrainian hackers erase 165TB from Russian firm moving Chinese electronics to missile factories​

All cargo declarations were destroyed.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/12...ing-chinese-electronics-to-missile-factories/

 

[CXRAndy]

View: https://x.com/i/status/1997029378279030870


Very true, free meals and dentist too

 

[Bazzer]

Propaganda. They don’t even risk their best forces getting hit. They keep their best tech safe far deep in Russia. They send criminals & foreign soldiers into the meat grinder

Which "best tech" is this? T90 tanks, which are the most advanced Russia is able to deploy, have proved vulnerable in Ukraine and have suffered significant losses. The SU57 has been used only in Russian airspace to fire long range missiles, presumably because the Russians think it is vulnerable to Ukrainian missiles. The S400 SAM system has repeatedly been hit by Ukraine and Russia has only dared to deploy the S500 to defend the Kerch Bridge. On the water, the Black Sea fleet is limited to submarines and missile carriers, with the more important ships being docked in Rostov and Novorossiysk because they are vulnerable.
As to "best forces", which ones are these? Elite units such as the Spetznatz have been heavily involved in Ukraine, with some brigades suffering huge losses. Ukraine has also gone after special forces not in Ukraine, such as the strike a few days ago in Chechnya.

 

[Pinno718]

Which "best tech" is this? T90 tanks, which are the most advanced Russia is able to deploy, have proved vulnerable in Ukraine and have suffered significant losses. The SU57 has been used only in Russian airspace to fire long range missiles, presumably because the Russians think it is vulnerable to Ukrainian missiles. The S400 SAM system has repeatedly been hit by Ukraine and Russia has only dared to deploy the S500 to defend the Kerch Bridge. On the water, the Black Sea fleet is limited to submarines and missile carriers, with the more important ships being docked in Rostov and Novorossiysk because they are vulnerable.
As to "best forces", which ones are these? Elite units such as the Spetznatz have been heavily involved in Ukraine, with some brigades suffering huge losses. Ukraine has also gone after special forces not in Ukraine, such as the strike a few days ago in Chechnya.

1.18m personnel losses in total since this stat list was published.

 

[RecordAceFromNew]

I admit the weakness of the greater enforcement power theory is that it depends on agreement from the likes of the US, Russia and China which is never going to happen. So, how can this be resolved?

Natural justice means the invaded  should prevail but, sadly and realistically, history shows that this does not always happen and that might will often win out, but the easier the invasion the more likely that it will be repeated.

That being the case, isn't it obvious that leaders of weaker countries must avoid provoking a powerful neighbour? And what is wrong with staying neutral? Being neutral is not the same as being a vassal, which, ironically, like Ukraine Britain is - why else would Britain be complicit in a genocide the whole world can see? It is not even in the US's interest, never mind Britain's.

Who are the hostile neighbours in Putin's back yard and where are the tangible examples of that hostility in terms of invasion or attack on borders? Ukraine "looking West" is not an act of aggression but merely an aversion to the form of governmental control of the people that they see to the east of them. The overt hostility has come from Russia and its close neighbours clearly fear further hostility from a leader who still yearns for Russia's glory days and is not constrained by a system that allows genuine questioning from within.

So your opinion of what the Russians consider hostile is more valid than that of the Russians and the NATO secretary general?

it is clear from your posts over the years that you believe that the form of "strong" leadership and control of its people as operated by Russia and China is a model that is better than the various approaches to democratic government which at least give a semblance of a say to their populations.

What is the point of people having "a semblance of a say" if it makes no difference? Liberal democracy is like Christianity: it just gives you hope you will be better off in the next life / after the next election.

Who says democracy can be delivered by one person one vote? Lincoln said democracy is of the people, by the people, for the people — it is obvious the latter is what counts. Yet one person, one vote every few years practically guarantees it does nothing for the people, never mind the poor bloody Palestinians, or our own future generations, who don't get to vote. Our votes are irrelevant because potential leaders are ill-qualified so they can't deliver. Even if any could, the system doesn't allow long-term commitment to necessary policies, policies which invariably require sacrifice, making them unpopular, hence they won't survive elections. Consequently, populists who promise the earth but are ill-qualified win, and the cycle repeats. Isn't this what happens?

So who has been delivering "for the people"? Actually one country is in a league of its own with achievements unprecedented in human history, obvious for at least a decade except to those who can't see beyond ridiculously biased Western discourse - until recently articles like this and this e.g. have been rare.

In a forum supposedly about politics and current affairs, isn't it weird that there is literally zero intelligent dialogue on this seismic issue, despite it being the fundamental driver of the changes we see in the US, hence NATO, and hence Ukraine? Putin, never mind Ukraine, is the least of Europe/UK's problems.

Y'all think it is kompromat on Trump, a man with no shame? Or y'all just prefer cope by finding/posting/reading happy news, like Pinno718?

 

[Rusty Nails]

That being the case, isn't it obvious that leaders of weaker countries must avoid provoking a powerful neighbour? And what is wrong with staying neutral? Being neutral is not the same as being a vassal, which, ironically, like Ukraine Britain is - why else would Britain be complicit in a genocide the whole world can see? It is not even in the US's interest, never mind Britain's.



So your opinion of what the Russians consider hostile is more valid than that of the Russians and the NATO secretary general?




What is the point of people having "a semblance of a say" if it makes no difference? Liberal democracy is like Christianity: it just gives you hope you will be better off in the next life / after the next election.

Who says democracy can be delivered by one person one vote? Lincoln said democracy is of the people, by the people, for the people — it is obvious the latter is what counts. Yet one person, one vote every few years practically guarantees it does nothing for the people, never mind the poor bloody Palestinians, or our own future generations, who don't get to vote. Our votes are irrelevant because potential leaders are ill-qualified so they can't deliver. Even if any could, the system doesn't allow long-term commitment to necessary policies, policies which invariably require sacrifice, making them unpopular, hence they won't survive elections. Consequently, populists who promise the earth but are ill-qualified win, and the cycle repeats. Isn't this what happens?

So who has been delivering "for the people"? Actually one country is in a league of its own with achievements unprecedented in human history, obvious for at least a decade except to those who can't see beyond ridiculously biased Western discourse - until recently articles like this and this e.g. have been rare.

In a forum supposedly about politics and current affairs, isn't it weird that there is literally zero intelligent dialogue on this seismic issue, despite it being the fundamental driver of the changes we see in the US, hence NATO, and hence Ukraine? Putin, never mind Ukraine, is the least of Europe/UK's problems.

Y'all think it is kompromat on Trump, a man with no shame? Or y'all just prefer cope by finding/posting/reading happy news, like Pinno718?

Y'all still here. Haven't heard from y'all in so long I'd forgotten what I wrote.

 

[Milzy]

View attachment 11492 1.18m personnel losses in total since this stat list was published.

I don’t believe those stats. All rubbish equipment anyway. The corrupt Russians skimmed off money which was supposed to go on military maintenance etc. vehicles had old tires on from the Soviet times all cracking & failed to hold air. Look at what they have won back. Crimea port, Donbas region, a few key towns & cities in Eastern Ukraine. They don’t care how many men they lose. Numbers was their tactic to help defeat the Nazis.
A peace deal needs to be agreed so we can trade & get on without the mindless war but certain people have other ideas sadly.

 

[Pinno718]

...ronically, like Ukraine Britain is - why else would Britain be complicit in a genocide the whole world can see? It is not even in the US's interest, never mind Britain's.

Really?!

So your opinion of what the Russians consider hostile is more valid than that of the Russians and the NATO secretary general?

Again, really?!

What is the point of people having "a semblance of a say" if it makes no difference? Liberal democracy is like Christianity: it just gives you hope you will be better off in the next life / after the next election.

What sort of (if any) democracy do you propose?

Who says democracy can be delivered by one person one vote? Lincoln said democracy is of the people, by the people, for the people — it is obvious the latter is what counts. Yet one person, one vote every few years practically guarantees it does nothing for the people, never mind the poor bloody Palestinians, or our own future generations, who don't get to vote. Our votes are irrelevant because potential leaders are ill-qualified so they can't deliver. Even if any could, the system doesn't allow long-term commitment to necessary policies, policies which invariably require sacrifice, making them unpopular, hence they won't survive elections. Consequently, populists who promise the earth but are ill-qualified win, and the cycle repeats. Isn't this what happens?

Uh?

So who has been delivering "for the people"? Actually one country is in a league of its own with achievements unprecedented in human history, obvious for at least a decade except to those who can't see beyond ridiculously biased Western discourse - until recently articles like this and this e.g. have been rare.

In a forum supposedly about politics and current affairs, isn't it weird that there is literally zero intelligent dialogue on this seismic issue, despite it being the fundamental driver of the changes we see in the US, hence NATO, and hence Ukraine? Putin, never mind Ukraine, is the least of Europe/UK's problems.

Y'all think it is kompromat on Trump, a man with no shame? Or y'all just prefer cope by finding/posting/reading happy news, like Pinno718?

Y'all's down the Bayou chow downing on grits.

 

[Pinno718]

Y'all think it is kompromat on Trump, a man with no shame? Or y'all just prefer cope by finding/posting/reading happy news, like Pinno718?

There's evidence that there is.
Whether there is or not is immaterial, the fact remains that Trump is definitely not an ally to us nor Ukraine nor Europe. Trump is isolating the US.
In order to get ahead in the property business in New York in the 70's. 80's and 90's, you had to be in with the mob which Trump was. Trump also sold real estate to the Russians, as did Witkoff. Trump has known Witkoff for years.
It all ties together.

As for the happy posts. Well, you are wrong because ultimately, over a million Russian soldiers have been killed or injured in a game of make the Russia great again at the expense of Putin's people. At the expense of many civilians in the Ukraine. It's horrific. There's nothing happy about those facts.

I simply post to counter a lot of what is posted on here, merely to underline the other side of the story often un-reported in the main stream media which often paints a distorted picture.

I am fully aware of the bombing of recently, a block of flats (23 dead), the bombing of schools, hospitals and only a few days ago, a neo natal clinic.

We can dwell on these events and hold our hands in the air and say that Ukraine's defence of their country, their sovereignty, is futile but the truth is that Russia has failed to invade Ukraine. The latest figures is that Russia has gained as little as 40kms into Ukraine and the cost per km (not counting monies) is a 5 figure sum of personnel per km. It's almost 30,000 men per km.

There is no option for Ukrainians. To capitulate would result in a massacre and an exodus. It would also affect long term European security. The peace deals on the table offered thus far are nothing more than commercial and political blackmail bereft of humanity. The implications of capitulation would have far reaching consequences and in this post modern world, it would be a travesty.

I don't know what you have against Ukraine. I do not know why you do not despise Trump and Putin in equal measure. You sprinkle political philosophy with oblique random reference on top of diarrhea and your sense of morality is questionable.

Do you really know what you are saying?